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Armando - More details on the Tannehill Philbin relationship

Awsi Dooger said:
Philbin was stuck. He wanted throw the ball 40+ times per game. Coming from Green Bay that wasn't a difficult guess. It was my primary knock against Philbin when we made that hire, the certainty that he'd wing it all over the place with no comprehension that your game plan should differ drastically with a mediocre quarterback as opposed to an elite one.

Let's say Joe Philbin has his doubts about Ryan Tannehill during the interview process. That's not a bad guess. But he knows he'll never get the job if he expresses those doubts. He probably would have been escorted out of the room within 5 minutes, and with negative whispers regarding how he fared, lessening the prospect of another team bringing him in. So he goes along with everything, the upward adjustments and patience, even if he recognizes the low percentages.

Then a year later he sees his career on that level -- that high paid well respected coveted level occupied by only 31 others -- jeopardized by his low percentage quarterback. He realizes this is NFL 2014 and not 1974, when you might get 5 years or more, and room to forge entirely your own roster. Damn straight he wants to pick his own guy. Are we actually faulting him for that? He knows that first round quarterbacks are the ticket, far more often than not, far more likely than lottery grabs further down.

You can't speak out against the owner or the personnel, not on this level and if you want to retain your job. It's silly to suggest Philbin should have said everything the column depicts as his actual views. He had no foundation, no benefit of a doubt.

Charlie Weis panicked and ruined his career by taking a low percentage job in the talent wasteland of Kansas instead of sitting out a season and finding a better job. Other guys have no say in the matter and have to take anything offered. That's where Philbin fit in. We had Tannehill, so he's gone.

I admire Philbin for wanting to reach higher in that 2014 draft. Ju'Waun James does nothing to advance the fortunes of this team. I posted at the time that you are losing ground to the league when you make a choice like that. Even if he pans out fully you'll be leapfrogged by teams who invariably make bolder choices and connect. I watched the tape of Indiana/Duke from the recent bowl game a few nights ago. The Hoosier left tackle is a far superior prospect to Ju'Waun James and I understand he might not be a first round pick.

In 2014 I might have picked Johnny Manziel, given our roster predicament. Even if that flopped it would be surrounded by aggressive picks who do pan out. The aggressive choices in preceding years might have precluded any necessity to take a quarterback. We've made the dullard moves so long we've been defined by them. At least with Adam Gase there is legit prospect of sharp bold moves. I won't be annoyed if high profile competition for Ryan Tannehill is one of them, regardless of what is said behind closed doors.
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I would actually say that is a bad guess, since Tannehill was drafted after Philbin was hired.
 
roy_miami said:
The obvious play was to take Manziel at 19 and force Cleveland's hand. Not sure why nobody does that move in the draft anymore but we were in the perfect situation for it. Had it worked out we could have gotten James and Carr.
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tthorpe13 said:
I would actually say that is a bad guess since Tannehill was drafted after Philbin was hired.
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Now don't let reality enter into it.
 
tthorpe13 said:
I would actually say that is a bad guess, since Tannehill was drafted after Philbin was hired.
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I'm assuming he thinks Ireland already had his mind set to draft Ireland when they were looking to hire a HC. But that still doesn't make much sense since Philbin handpicked Tannehill's former HC to be his OC.


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Awsi Dooger said:
You can't speak out against the owner or the personnel, not on this level and if you want to retain your job. It's silly to suggest Philbin should have said everything the column depicts as his actual views. He had no foundation, no benefit of a doubt.
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Jay Gruden.
 
SkapePhin said:
I'm assuming he thinks Ireland already had his mind set to draft Ireland when they were looking to hire a HC. But that still doesn't make much sense since Philbin handpicked Tannehill's former HC to be his OC.
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Possible, but we had no idea he would make it to our pick.
 
Frankly, while I don't neccessarily doubt this story that Philbin wanted a different QB, I highly doubt it for the reasons this story is agendizing. Based on Philbins pattern of coaching, it's more likely to me that Philbin held a petty grudge against Tannehill over being forced to fire his buddy Sherman. I keep reminding you all about how much crap I took on this site for telling everybody what a lousy coach and poor leader Philbin is, and this just confirms, even more, that the guy is worthless.
 
Philbin looks like a genius if he wanted Carr, esp the way Tannehill finished 2014. And this was before they extended him, right?
 
Hayden Fox said:
Can we flush the last four years?

I cannot stand re-doing the debates of who did what from that time.

We all know it was a cluster for the most part.
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I could not agree more. Furthermore, the debate about Ryan Tannehill will finally come to the foreground as it is time for him to crap or get of the pot. Regardless of what side you are on the Tannehill debate, the time for speculation about his: talent, potential, and football iq are all simmering to a boil. We will soon find out if Philbins rudimentary offense was holding Ryan Tannehill back or if it was simply masking his inadequacies as a legitimate nfl quarterback.

I, for one, am ready for this to come to an end and finally get our answer.
 
roy_miami said:
1. When Locke says "successful franchise" I doubt Washington makes the cut...

2. RGIII was deemed as the "franchise QB" by the owner on that team. Is Gruden going to be fired for suggesting he doesn't think RGIII, or Cousins for that matter, is the future?

3. Its true that successful teams have everybody on the same page, but its easy to be on the same page when Tom Brady is your QB.

4. All successful teams have one thing in common: elite QBs. If the article is true it appears that Philbin was the only one in the organization smart enough to realize that we should make finding one important.
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Really????? What is your measure of success and how do you define elite?
 
good for ryan voicing his displeasure with the inability to call audibles and have input in the gameplan

deservedly so
 
uk_dolfan said:
Tannehill will shut a lot of people up this season.

I dont get the longing for Carr. Wishing we had Aaraon Rodgers is one thing, Carr? meh. Even if he is better than Tannehill it is very marginal
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The only young QB I long for is Winston...

With that said, new staff new everything and we are moving forward...have to believe the coach believes in Tannehill at least a little bit or would not have taken the job. Add in a solid QB coach/OC and a game plan/play calling that doesn't look like a high school coach in his first season and we should start to see some progress again.
 
Joe Philbin was a pathetic leader.

Makes me sick. At the same time, I am not surprised one bit.
 
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