Around the Preseason: Performances of players you liked/wanted on the Dolphins

[Nublar7]

So what you are Saying is if by year 3, Tannehill has Miami in the playoffs a couple of times but just hasnt gotten over the hump of winning a playoff game...we should cut him and move on?

I mean, do you understand what you are saying? You really dont make any sense.

Because an all-pro qb hasnt won a playoff game in his first 4 years in the league, you dont want him because you dont know what he will do over the next decade that he has left in his career?

Did you really post this argument out loud?

When did I ever say the Falcons should cut Matt Ryan and move on? I mean do you even understand what YOU are saying?

All I said is that to this point, Matt Ryan is not in the elite class of quarterbacks because he can't win playoff games. I prefer that Tannehill be better than Matt Ryan and not someone we hope he becomes. Maybe Matt Ryan will eventually blossom into a playoff winning QB and wins a Super Bowl down the road. The facts we have in front of us today show that he is not at that level. WVDolphan said he wishes we would have taken Matt Ryan with the #1 pick in 2008, all I said is that I prefer to have a QB that can be more successful that Matt Ryan has been. That is all, wasn't saying the Falcons should cut him or that Miami wouldn't be better if they have him. I just want more at the quarterback position that Matt Ryan, I think we all should.

 

[JCane]

Rooting for wins doesn't make you a bad guy, but understand that with the way that the league is designed, middle of the pack in the draft is the worst place to be.

With the new CBA, you want a pick as high as you can get. Luckily for us, we ONLY won six games and was still able to draft a decent QB.

This isn't Pop Warner football. This is the NFL. This is a business. And sometimes in business, you have to lose now to win big later. That's what the Colts have done.

After starting 0-7, wins actually hurt the business more than it helped.

 

[Clipse]

Can you explain yourself a bit better on your first point, I don't live in the US or follow basketball too much. On you Ireland and Sparano point as long as there are winners and losers in each game it is likely some teams are doing worse than others, so regardless of how good the coaches and GMs are around the league there are going to be teams at the top and teams at the bottom.

The NBA's draft lottery is terrible. It's designed so teams don't tank. it would be pretty much impossible to tank games in the NFL, considering how many players see the field. The only way to possibly tank would be to bench all the good players, and no team would ever get away with it anyways. If a team gets the 1st pick, it's because they suck, and they deserve that pick. Not to mention there's room for corruption.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Whats funny is the large majority of the fans who didnt want to suck for Luck and instead were interested in meaningless wins wanted David Garrard to be brought in and start over the man who brought them those 6 meaningless wins they so desperately wanted. LMFAO. Its unreal.

Indeed, Dr. WV.

It's known as Cognitive Homereuticiphilia- A condition in which one extreme rationale of homerism cannot justify the other. Symptoms consist of the sudden urge to replace the quarterback who provided the meaningless wins with a corpse that's uncapable of providing even those meaningless wins. Meanwhile insisting on rationalizing means of avoiding an elite prospect for the sake of wearing random jerseys on gameday and saving an incompetent's job.

It's a very serious condition that is contagious and permeates rapidly through those in contact.

 

[TheWalrus]

I want the Dolphins to win games and to have a quarterback that can win playoff games and eventually a championship. Yet I am the bad guy?

No, just ignorant of the fact that winning games and being in a position in the draft to land a quarterback who can win games are contradictory to each other.

 

[WVDolphan]

Indeed, Dr. WV.

It's known as Cognitive Homereuticiphilia- A condition in which one extreme rationale of homerism cannot justify the other. Symptoms consist of the sudden urge to replace the quarterback who provided the meaningless wins with a corpse that's uncapable of providing even those meaningless wins. Meanwhile insisting on rationalizing means of avoiding an elite prospect for the sake of wearing random jerseys on gameday and saving an incompetent's job.

It's a very serious condition that is contagious and permeates rapidly through those in contact.

 

[HarryBagpipe]

My favorite part was the absolutely ridiculous rationale the homers used to justify why sucking for luck was the worst thing that could happen for the phins. From that Luck would never want to play for Miami and that he would probably holdout because the franchise didnt respect the game to comparing him to Ryan Leaf.

 

[CO-Gator]

The point is, this team had Andrew Luck within their grasp and let him get away by irresponsibly winning 6 games last year. You just don't do that when you have the chance to make a franchise changing pick. Instead, we have a converted WR who might develop into a decent starter some day. Of course this would all be moot if we had not made the mistake of drafting Jake Long in 2008. Just one bad decision after another with this team.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

When did I ever say the Falcons should cut Matt Ryan and move on? I mean do you even understand what YOU are saying?

All I said is that to this point, Matt Ryan is not in the elite class of quarterbacks because he can't win playoff games. I prefer that Tannehill be better than Matt Ryan and not someone we hope he becomes. Maybe Matt Ryan will eventually blossom into a playoff winning QB and wins a Super Bowl down the road. The facts we have in front of us today show that he is not at that level. WVDolphan said he wishes we would have taken Matt Ryan with the #1 pick in 2008, all I said is that I prefer to have a QB that can be more successful that Matt Ryan has been. That is all, wasn't saying the Falcons should cut him or that Miami wouldn't be better if they have him. I just want more at the quarterback position that Matt Ryan, I think we all should.

The problem is your logic doesn't seem to apply when people want a better head coach, General Manager, or virtually anyone associated with the Dolphins that are far worse off at their jobs than Matt Ryan is at his.

 

[enigmatics]

Some pretty large egos have taken this thread hostage I see. So happy to see it deteriorate.

 

[Irishfinfan1]

The NBA's draft lottery is terrible. It's designed so teams don't tank. it would be pretty much impossible to tank games in the NFL, considering how many players see the field. The only way to possibly tank would be to bench all the good players, and no team would ever get away with it anyways. If a team gets the 1st pick, it's because they suck, and they deserve that pick. Not to mention there's room for corruption.

I don't think you are correct to be honest R&R, I seem to remember a game in the season before Bush and Mario Williams were drafted and there was an implication of I think it was the Texans tanking a late season game to get first pick and Bush. Given an idiot like Sparano it wouldn't be that hard to look like you are trying to win when you aren't, some of the play calling on O and the joy at getting field goals spring to mind. Are you suggesting there could be corruption in the NFL in determining who would get high picks?!

 

[WVDolphan]

When did I ever say the Falcons should cut Matt Ryan and move on? I mean do you even understand what YOU are saying?

All I said is that to this point, Matt Ryan is not in the elite class of quarterbacks because he can't win playoff games. I prefer that Tannehill be better than Matt Ryan and not someone we hope he becomes. Maybe Matt Ryan will eventually blossom into a playoff winning QB and wins a Super Bowl down the road. The facts we have in front of us today show that he is not at that level. WVDolphan said he wishes we would have taken Matt Ryan with the #1 pick in 2008, all I said is that I prefer to have a QB that can be more successful that Matt Ryan has been. That is all, wasn't saying the Falcons should cut him or that Miami wouldn't be better if they have him. I just want more at the quarterback position that Matt Ryan, I think we all should.

This is a good and fair post.

But, let me ask you this.......

Would you sign up right now for Tannehill having an equally good career as Matt Ryan?

Before you answer consider these things.....

1. If you say no, you risk Tannehill not being good.

2. However, if you say no its quite possible Tannehill is better than Matt Ryan

3. If you say yes, it dosent cut Tannehill off from being elite, because as we all know(well I hope everyone knows) that while you are correct that it would be a stretch at this point to consider Matt Ryan elite, he certainly has shown he could reach that level in the future. After all, build the list of QBs who even went to the playoffs 3 of their first 4 seasons, much less won a playoff game. You must also consider that each year Ryan was elimiated, I believe it was by the team that eventually went on to win the SB.

If you ask me, of course I would sign up for Tannehill being equally as good as Ryan in a heartbeat. This team hasnt won a playoff game in over a decade and only even went once. Id give a lot just to see them make it 3 of the next 4 years. Also, if Tannehill takes us to the playoffs 3 of his first 4 seasons, Im betting heavy on him eventually winning plenty of playoff games and likely a championship, much like I am Ryan.

 

[Pachyderm_Wave]

Some pretty large egos have taken this thread hostage I see. So happy to see it deteriorate.

What did you think about Joe Adams locking up the return job for Carolina? Agree or disagree with my assessment that I would've taken him over Davone Bess to upgrade the return unit without even watching him play a down of NFL football... just going strictly off his ability as a prospect?

Continue the response by incorporating T.Y. Hilton, Lavon Brazill, Jarius Wright, etc. and other such slot/return specialists.

 

[Nublar7]

This is a good and fair post.

But, let me ask you this.......

Would you sign up right now for Tannehill having an equally good career as Matt Ryan?

Before you answer consider these things.....

1. If you say no, you risk Tannehill not being good.

2. However, if you say no its quite possible Tannehill is better than Matt Ryan

3. If you say yes, it dosent cut Tannehill off from being elite, because as we all know(well I hope everyone knows) that while you are correct that it would be a stretch at this point to consider Matt Ryan elite, he certainly has shown he could reach that level in the future. After all, build the list of QBs who even went to the playoffs 3 of their first 4 seasons, much less won a playoff game. You must also consider that each year Ryan was elimiated, I believe it was by the team that eventually went on to win the SB.

If you ask me, of course I would sign up for Tannehill being equally as good as Ryan in a heartbeat. This team hasnt won a playoff game in over a decade and only even went once. Id give a lot just to see them make it 3 of the next 4 years. Also, if Tannehill takes us to the playoffs 3 of his first 4 seasons, Im betting heavy on him eventually winning plenty of playoff games and likely a championship, much like I am Ryan.

If Tannehill can have similar regular season success as Matt Ryan has in his first four years, sure I would sign up for that in a heartbeat. Still though, I still prefer a better overall quarterback(playoff wins) than what Matt Ryan has shown so far. I am not saying Matt Ryan is bad or wouldn't want him on the Dolphins today, I just think as Dolphins fans not having a true QB since Dan Marino that we deserve better than a regular season star who falters in the playoffs. I want the world, I don't want a QB that over the course of half a decade or even a whole decade that isn't capable of bringing us a championship. I guess you could say I want someone who can do something that even the great Dan Marino couldn't do.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Can you believe there are still people out there who think RG3 will be as good as or better than Luck?