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Did the Fins outsmart themselves with draft trades?

We literally have no idea how the Dolphins have these guys ranked..

Watch Pitts and Chase be there at 6 and we still select Smith.

If they have Smith/Waddle ranked pretty close to Pitts and Chase then trade down was absolutely a no-brainer.
 
EROCK528 said:
The only problem with pick 6 is that you have a very good chance to lose out on both Chase and Pitts...the top 2 offensive playmakers. Only time will tell.
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Outsmart ourselves???? How?
we’re picking 6 and picked up another first rounder for next year.
you need to read a self help book to lift your spirits
 
NYFINest said:
We literally have no idea how the Dolphins have these guys ranked..

Watch Pitts and Chase be there at 6 and we still select Smith.

If they have Smith/Waddle ranked pretty close to Pitts and Chase then trade down was absolutely a no-brainer.
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This is the real key... we have ZERO idea how they have these guys ranked.

The may have a three man tier after the QBs and took this deal to guarantee getting one of their three... Indeed, this makes the most sense.
 
NYFINest said:
We literally have no idea how the Dolphins have these guys ranked..

Watch Pitts and Chase be there at 6 and we still select Smith.

If they have Smith/Waddle ranked pretty close to Pitts and Chase then trade down was absolutely a no-brainer.
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Posters rank who they want then get pissed when things change.
 
BigNastyFish said:
Said this right away and good luck with the incoming.

The net net result of the trade was POOR value. Period.

And it will sink in. Sooner or later.

We traded #3 for #6 and got...

An R3 in '22 and and R1 in '23.

That's not even poor. It's horrible.

Picks in the future are significantly discounted in value terms.

The R1 in '23 is effectively the SAME value as an R3 in '21.

The R3 in '22 is effectively the SAME value as an R4 in '21.

So... we trade that super high value pick and EFFECTIVELY got an R3 and an R4 in present value!

Like I said. That BLOWS.

In addition, we also lost value in the mid rounds with a pick swap.

So as great as the swindle was Grier achieved with O'Brien, he BLEW a ton of value...
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What’s that 2023 1st worth in April 2023?
 
Duriel said:
What’s that 2023 1st worth in April 2023?
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Or how about 2025?

Time value.

The way deferred payments are manged is simple.

Present value is GREATER than future. You pay "interest."

Of course in 2 years that "bond" (currency commodity) will mature and be worth more.

BUT that's time-deferred and simple to understand.
 
The only reason we are having this discussion is because of a trade 2 years ago. We gave up something in the short term(LT) and gained so much for the future. In fact, it still hasn’t payed off completely. So why is it bad, again?
 
rent this space said:
It would be worse to be the 2020 Lions with #3 overall and waited until draft day only to be shut out with 2 top QBs on the board
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This right here is what needs to be understood about the trade. Look at the last two drafts and the lack of trades up that were not made. 2020 is a perfect example of teams who wanted until they were on the clock with the hopes of a bidding war. Detroit had no reason to select Jeff Okudah #3. However that was there need and couldn't get a team to pay the price (Miami and SD along with other teams included). This was for 2 elite prospects with two clear teams who were gunning for a QB. Stop getting lost in the idea of what the net gain and loss is. Look at from a different perspective and see these trades for what they were

1. This was a three team trade. Miami was never going to stay at 12. They wanted to stay within the top 5 and found a team willing to move out at their price. They gave up a lot to move back up however they never had intentions of staying at 12 which is why these trades were within 20 minutes of one another. I believe if they were announced as one big trade it may have softened the blow for some of you who are hurt after hearing two future 1s.
2. Miami feared they would be stuck at 3 with no intentions of staying there (EX: Detroit and NYG in the past drafts). Its okay to want to gamble with a much safer approach. Miami felt it was better to get a future 1 and 3 instead of risking of not getting anything and still picking the same player.

Also devaluing draft picks is not the same for 1st rounders. It has been stated in numerous places that the net value of our trade down was a mid 1st rounder. Stop and think about that. We got a mid 1st rounder for moving down 3 spots! Would I have liked more? Heck yes but to think we panicked and got ripped off is a joke. Just because it doesn't mesh with your draft plans doesn't make it a bad idea.
 
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opticblazed said:
What makes you say that they are the top 2? What are you basing that on?
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Obviously they are his top 2 but that doesn’t mean they are actually the best two playmakers in the draft. I actually think Smith and Waddle are the best 2 playmakers in the draft but it doesn’t mean I am right and he is wrong.

It simply means we have a difference of opinion and there is nothing wrong with that.
 
In the Trade back to 12, along with the 2022 and 2023 first we should have gotten more value for this season. A 3rd and 4th this year or a 2nd.

Then, even if you still do the Philly deal, you got yourselves either an extra 2, or 3 and 4 THIS season.

You could then, more reasonably move way down from 18 and garner future capital without that team having to give up picks this year. We wouldn't mind, in this scenario we already have more 21 selections.

Imagine having 6, an extra 1st the next two seasons, and an extra 2nd or 3rd + 4th for this current draft.

The fact that we did not get any 2021 picks weakens our position at 18 and the perceived value of the entire two trades currently.

I still view it as a net gain, but fear Grier did not prioritize capital for this season enough.

AND, might have played his cards too soon because draft day could have had a deal like I layed out....

But then it would have been tougher to get back to 6.

Lots on angles. Hope we made the right decision.
 
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