Any plan involving Hasselbeck being the ONLY plan completely sucks. I would only be good with it if we were to draft a young QB early in the draft to develop as well.
Dolphins Interested in Veteran QB Matt Hasselbeck
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Anyone find it funny that a new rumor on us looking at getting ......... comes up about every few days. I've heard rumors about us trying to get: Kolb, McNabb, Orton, Young, Palmer, T. Jackson, now Hasselbeck. Did I miss anyone? Smoke,mirrors and speculation. Every reporter, blogger, etc. trying to kill time until the draft or season. Believe less than 1% of what you read at this time of the season.
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I guess the consensus aka public opinion henne blows goats!
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We have to bring in both a veteren and draft someone. The Veteren needs to be brought in to compete with Henne for the starting spot and we need to draft someone for the future and let them sit for a year or two. At least until they begin to show that they are ready. I don't really care what veteren it is as long as there is the potential to push Henne. Hassleback could do that but he is fairly injury prone but when he was healthy he put up some pretty good games last year.
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But there is a big chance that he wont. So why take the risk? 5 or so years ago, yes, I would have been happy with him here in Miami. But i would rather draft Mallett or Locker - and I dont want either of them to be honest - than have Hassellbeck.
At the end of the day Henne will be the starter & we will select a qb in round 4 or 5 to be the 3rd stringer.
I'd definitely take Hasselbeck over Pennington at this point
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Hasselbeck sucks and is washed up. I hope like hell we don't get him!!!
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Oh yeah, it's a big if.
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Interesting observation if true... Let's examine the list of veteren (long in the tooth) signal callers to start under this regime...
Chad Pennington
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Well, that was a short list, wasn't it?
Please don't allow your ridiculous blind hatred for this regime to fog up your posts. You can hate this regime, and many would back you up, but let's not make up crap to fuel our propaganda. It only reflects poorly on you.
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Hasslebeck is a West Coast Offense QB. Trading for Palmer would more feasible IMO.
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Carson Palmer and Matt Hasselbeck (in that order) have been my top two choices among veteran QB options since before the season ended. I could live with Matt Hasselbeck or Marc Bulger being brought in to compete with and/or groom a young quarterback. If you bring in Carson, who is only 31 years old, he's not grooming anyone...he's the guy.
Hasselbeck was pressing all year long, had monkey dung for receivers and they kept making mistakes. But when I watched him, it was a lot like Carson Palmer. I found that 90% of the time Hasselbeck (and Palmer) would be conducting himself far better than Chad Henne does from play to play, and far far FAR better than Kolb does. But then Hasselbeck (and Palmer, for that matter) would have a really weird play where he just pressed too much and tried to do something that didn't fit.
Right now when it comes to the QB situation, Miami's not exactly in good shape. Chad Henne should definitely NOT be the guy in 2011. If he is, we're in for a DISASTER of a season. An unmitigated disaster. That give up mentality we saw in Week 17 last year would probably happen by Week 7, and we could be so bad that Sparano is forced to step down before the season is over, with Mike Nolan taking over. That's not just a possibility, that's my BEST GUESS of what happens if we go into 2011 thinking Chad Henne is the starting QB. So from my perspective, they're up against the ropes at QB.
But Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert are probably going real high, and with a rookie wage scale likely to take effect this year, and some question as to whether veteran players can be used in order to trade during the Draft, who is to say we even end up ABLE to trade up to get one of them, even if we wanted to do so?
Then you have Ryan Mallett and as much as I could like him being picked, I really don't see Miami liking him. Miami seems to very much be on a mobility kick with respect to the QB position. That's been going on since the season ended, with Sparano doing studies on QB mobility and its relationship to creating big passing plays, etc. Brian Daboll's hire seems to scream along those lines to me, and that's if you're not paying attention to the pattern in the players Miami has been investigating in the Draft and as veteran options. They want better feet, and Ryan Mallett is a big 6'7" and 250 lbs pillar of salt. He moves better than Henne but not much. Take on top of that the fact that we (Universal Draft) have been told by someone that the Dolphins don't think highly of Mallett's attitude, I don't think Ryan is in the cards for us and I never really have, even though *I* would like him.
So that leaves the next tier and those guys to me have always been Christian Ponder and Colin Kaepernick. I know some consider Jake Locker to be in that next group, and he might be for the Dolphins, but I hope not personally. I don't like Locker, at all. When it comes to Kaepernick and Ponder they've been sort of sitting in a "sh-t or get off the pot" zone for me, where I know they've either got to move up or move down.
Ponder's always been a tough nut for me to crack, I REALLY liked him in 2009, thought he had a very bright 1st round future, but was disappointed by his production and decision-making in 2010. I'm wary of his injuries too. But, I may get over that. And the more I think about it the more I see him as the guy that Miami is most likely to target. He's a winner, a three year starter, a college grad that already has a masters and is working on his doctorate, he has a dynamic personality, he's a leader, has the arm to do the job, quick release, accurate, and MOBILE. They're on a mobility kick, and he's about as mobile as any QB you get short of a guy that some people start wanting to move to WR. He's knocking this pre-Draft process out of the park with a fantastic Senior Bowl, a decision to throw at the Combine where he threw better than Cam Newton, great press interviews, fantastic drills and measurements, etc. When all is said and done, would is surprise me if Miami targeted him, one way or another? Absolutely not. In fact, I find it pretty likely. What I haven't decided yet is whether they'd do that at #15 or not, and it's possible they would.
On the other hand Kaepernick, the more I think about him, the more I move him down. The things that make him unique, the things that grab your attention about him, are not very important for a pro QB prospect. That level of rushing production for a QB is unique but trivial. That kind of straight line build-up speed for a big quarterback is unique, but again trivial. Quarterbacks don't have very many chances to put that kind of straight line buildup speed on display. They get more opportunities to display their elusiveness, agility, feet and lower body explosion...but those traits on Kaepernick are not really 'special' at all. In fact, I think Locker, Gabbert, Newton and Ponder are all better in that regard. I don't think he's any more 'elusive' on those bases than an Andy Dalton, Ricky Stanzi or Jeff Van Camp, he just runs faster when you get him 20 to 40 yards of room to accelerate. When I design an offense where I have my QB run the ball 200 times in a year, or have him swing out to wide receiver and run go routes, then Kaepernick's impressive straight line build-up speed might be more interesting to me. The last thing that makes Kaepernick unique is the howitzer hanging off his right shoulder. But, that's not very important to me. Arm strength is a requirement, not a positive. Throwing versatility is a positive, and that requires a certain amount of minimum arm strength, as well as a quick release and good mechanics. Once you get to a certain level of required arm strength, the arm that can "make all the throws" so to speak, incremental increases in arm strength do not lead necessarily to incremental increases in production. It's another tool for the tool box, but it's not one that you get to make effective use of very often. I'd rather Kaepernick have special arm versatility than special arm strength...but he doesn't. The arm strength helps his arm be versatile, but his poor mechanics (which will not change) work against versatility and cancel out the benefits of his pure arm strength.
Take away those things, which aren't very important at the next level, but which make Kaepernick unique, what's the difference between he and a Jeff Van Camp? Or a Ryan Colburn? Not much.
Getting back to Hasselbeck for a moment, I can think of no better QB from a compatibility standpoint to have mentor a Christian Ponder, than a Matt Hasselbeck.
Hasselbeck was pressing all year long, had monkey dung for receivers and they kept making mistakes. But when I watched him, it was a lot like Carson Palmer. I found that 90% of the time Hasselbeck (and Palmer) would be conducting himself far better than Chad Henne does from play to play, and far far FAR better than Kolb does. But then Hasselbeck (and Palmer, for that matter) would have a really weird play where he just pressed too much and tried to do something that didn't fit.
Right now when it comes to the QB situation, Miami's not exactly in good shape. Chad Henne should definitely NOT be the guy in 2011. If he is, we're in for a DISASTER of a season. An unmitigated disaster. That give up mentality we saw in Week 17 last year would probably happen by Week 7, and we could be so bad that Sparano is forced to step down before the season is over, with Mike Nolan taking over. That's not just a possibility, that's my BEST GUESS of what happens if we go into 2011 thinking Chad Henne is the starting QB. So from my perspective, they're up against the ropes at QB.
But Cam Newton and Blaine Gabbert are probably going real high, and with a rookie wage scale likely to take effect this year, and some question as to whether veteran players can be used in order to trade during the Draft, who is to say we even end up ABLE to trade up to get one of them, even if we wanted to do so?
Then you have Ryan Mallett and as much as I could like him being picked, I really don't see Miami liking him. Miami seems to very much be on a mobility kick with respect to the QB position. That's been going on since the season ended, with Sparano doing studies on QB mobility and its relationship to creating big passing plays, etc. Brian Daboll's hire seems to scream along those lines to me, and that's if you're not paying attention to the pattern in the players Miami has been investigating in the Draft and as veteran options. They want better feet, and Ryan Mallett is a big 6'7" and 250 lbs pillar of salt. He moves better than Henne but not much. Take on top of that the fact that we (Universal Draft) have been told by someone that the Dolphins don't think highly of Mallett's attitude, I don't think Ryan is in the cards for us and I never really have, even though *I* would like him.
So that leaves the next tier and those guys to me have always been Christian Ponder and Colin Kaepernick. I know some consider Jake Locker to be in that next group, and he might be for the Dolphins, but I hope not personally. I don't like Locker, at all. When it comes to Kaepernick and Ponder they've been sort of sitting in a "sh-t or get off the pot" zone for me, where I know they've either got to move up or move down.
Ponder's always been a tough nut for me to crack, I REALLY liked him in 2009, thought he had a very bright 1st round future, but was disappointed by his production and decision-making in 2010. I'm wary of his injuries too. But, I may get over that. And the more I think about it the more I see him as the guy that Miami is most likely to target. He's a winner, a three year starter, a college grad that already has a masters and is working on his doctorate, he has a dynamic personality, he's a leader, has the arm to do the job, quick release, accurate, and MOBILE. They're on a mobility kick, and he's about as mobile as any QB you get short of a guy that some people start wanting to move to WR. He's knocking this pre-Draft process out of the park with a fantastic Senior Bowl, a decision to throw at the Combine where he threw better than Cam Newton, great press interviews, fantastic drills and measurements, etc. When all is said and done, would is surprise me if Miami targeted him, one way or another? Absolutely not. In fact, I find it pretty likely. What I haven't decided yet is whether they'd do that at #15 or not, and it's possible they would.
On the other hand Kaepernick, the more I think about him, the more I move him down. The things that make him unique, the things that grab your attention about him, are not very important for a pro QB prospect. That level of rushing production for a QB is unique but trivial. That kind of straight line build-up speed for a big quarterback is unique, but again trivial. Quarterbacks don't have very many chances to put that kind of straight line buildup speed on display. They get more opportunities to display their elusiveness, agility, feet and lower body explosion...but those traits on Kaepernick are not really 'special' at all. In fact, I think Locker, Gabbert, Newton and Ponder are all better in that regard. I don't think he's any more 'elusive' on those bases than an Andy Dalton, Ricky Stanzi or Jeff Van Camp, he just runs faster when you get him 20 to 40 yards of room to accelerate. When I design an offense where I have my QB run the ball 200 times in a year, or have him swing out to wide receiver and run go routes, then Kaepernick's impressive straight line build-up speed might be more interesting to me. The last thing that makes Kaepernick unique is the howitzer hanging off his right shoulder. But, that's not very important to me. Arm strength is a requirement, not a positive. Throwing versatility is a positive, and that requires a certain amount of minimum arm strength, as well as a quick release and good mechanics. Once you get to a certain level of required arm strength, the arm that can "make all the throws" so to speak, incremental increases in arm strength do not lead necessarily to incremental increases in production. It's another tool for the tool box, but it's not one that you get to make effective use of very often. I'd rather Kaepernick have special arm versatility than special arm strength...but he doesn't. The arm strength helps his arm be versatile, but his poor mechanics (which will not change) work against versatility and cancel out the benefits of his pure arm strength.
Take away those things, which aren't very important at the next level, but which make Kaepernick unique, what's the difference between he and a Jeff Van Camp? Or a Ryan Colburn? Not much.
Getting back to Hasselbeck for a moment, I can think of no better QB from a compatibility standpoint to have mentor a Christian Ponder, than a Matt Hasselbeck.
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I'd actually be okay with this (hopefully draft Mallet as well)
Oh and Hasselbeck's wife is smokin hot
Oh and Hasselbeck's wife is smokin hot
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