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Flores not sure Xavien Howard will be at camp.

So let's say X's balky knees only allowed him to play 8 games last year how many of us would be OK with the team cutting his salary down a few million is the question I ask myself when I read posts supporting his holdout after having a great year?
 
Feverdream said:
...and by CBA rule, the Dolphins can refuse to do this.

He can ask; they can say, 'no'. If he fails to show up, they can fine him into oblivion.
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It's not by a CBA rule that the team would not have to renegotiate with X. The clubs contract is still valid. So the team doesn't have to. What the CBA allows is simply the team the option to fine the player. Now, players are ready for these fines. Rodgers and Watson's already calculated the impact and both could pay the fines to sit the entire year and still pocket a couple million. The year will now not count, but it definitely puts pressure on the team.
 
Regardless of what I think the Fins should do, I have no problem with a player coming off an all-pro season with no money garenteed left on his deal holding out for more garenteed money.
 
His 13M this year is guaranteed, but future years are not... but he won't get a Zulac of it if he holds out... and the 'Phins refuse to blink. If he actually held out all year, he'd miss out on the entire 13M, an accrued year, and would still owe the Dolphins his fine money, altogether he'd lose about 14.5M dollars. The only way he profits from this is if the 'phins blink, because as I've shown with the rules that I've posted above, they hold all the cards except one... are they desperate enough to keep him that they let him blackmail them.

I'm betting that they try to massage his pathetic ego a bit and throw a couple more dollars at him, but I'm hoping they move him while his value is at it's highest.


YearAgeBase SalaryProrated BonusRoster BonusPer Game Roster BonusWorkout BonusGuaranteed SalaryCap
Number		Cap %Dead Money & Cap Savings
Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension
201926$1,285,641$2,064,189$7,000,000$0$0$8,285,641$10,349,8305.3%
2020 📝27$11,900,000$1,400,000$0$0$25,000$11,900,000$13,325,0006.1%
2021 📝28$12,075,000$1,400,000$0$0$25,000$12,075,000$13,500,0006.9%$16,275,000($2,775,000)
202229$12,375,000$1,400,000$0$500,000$100,000$0$14,375,0006.9%$2,800,000$11,575,000
202330$11,400,000$1,400,000$0$500,000$100,000$0$13,400,0006.0%$1,400,000$12,000,000
202431$11,650,000$0$0$500,000$100,000$0$12,250,0004.8%$0$12,250,000
Total$60,685,641$7,664,189$7,000,000$1,500,000$350,000$32,260,641$77,199,830
 
SCOTTY said:
It's not by a CBA rule that the team would not have to renegotiate with X. The clubs contract is still valid. So the team doesn't have to. What the CBA allows is simply the team the option to fine the player. Now, players are ready for these fines. Rodgers and Watson's already calculated the impact and both could pay the fines to sit the entire year and still pocket a couple million. The year will now not count, but it definitely puts pressure on the team.
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Curious if a play sits out a year. Do they "own" the team an additional year?
 
Feverdream said:
His 13M this year is guaranteed, but future years are not... but he won't get a Zulac of it if he holds out... and the 'Phins refuse to blink. If he actually held out all year, he'd miss out on the entire 13M, an accrued year, and would still owe the Dolphins his fine money, altogether he'd lose about 14.5M dollars. The only way he profits from this is if the 'phins blink, because as I've shown with the rules that I've posted above, they hold all the cards except one... are they desperate enough to keep him that they let him blackmail them.

I'm betting that they try to massage his pathetic ego a bit and throw a couple more dollars at him, but I'm hoping they move him while his value is at it's highest.


YearAgeBase SalaryProrated BonusRoster BonusPer Game Roster BonusWorkout BonusGuaranteed SalaryCap
Number		Cap %Dead Money & Cap Savings
Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension
201926$1,285,641$2,064,189$7,000,000$0$0$8,285,641$10,349,8305.3%
2020 📝27$11,900,000$1,400,000$0$0$25,000$11,900,000$13,325,0006.1%
2021 📝28$12,075,000$1,400,000$0$0$25,000$12,075,000$13,500,0006.9%$16,275,000($2,775,000)
202229$12,375,000$1,400,000$0$500,000$100,000$0$14,375,0006.9%$2,800,000$11,575,000
202330$11,400,000$1,400,000$0$500,000$100,000$0$13,400,0006.0%$1,400,000$12,000,000
202431$11,650,000$0$0$500,000$100,000$0$12,250,0004.8%$0$12,250,000
Total$60,685,641$7,664,189$7,000,000$1,500,000$350,000$32,260,641$77,199,830
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Considering B.Jones enourmous contract i don't see how they possibly come out and make X the highest or close to the highest paid in the league. That's absolutely insane to have almost 50% of your money tied between two guys in your secondary.

You drafted Noah for this exact reason and honestly if there was ever a time to try and trade X it's honestly this year.

I'd like to think at minimum you can get a 2nd rounder for him.
 
ANUFan said:
For a player like "X" and any other player at his kinda position and getting close to 30. That's a devisating type of blow to take.

You can't afford to lose a year and money on top of it.
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I think it depends on the player and situation. I certainly hope it doesn't come to that with X.
 
ANUFan said:
For a player like "X" and any other player at his kinda position and getting close to 30. That's a devisating type of blow to take.

You can't afford to lose a year and money on top of it.
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He's playing with fire. It could work, or he could really get burned. His best hope is that the 'phins play along because of fan pressure, but if they don't-- if the 'phins want to use him as an example that they will not negotiate with those under contract, then he's probably screwed.

At that point, he'll start banging the bars for a trade... which, he can only ask for, and has no right to demand.

So far, I liked what I saw from the Dolphins... they gave a neutralish set of comments and they have not gone to open warfare... yet.
 
SCOTTY said:
I think it depends on the player and situation. I certainly hope it doesn't come to that with X.
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It's really a gamble for him. I believe last season was the 1st time in a few season he's been able to play the entire year.

Can he do it again? Trend suggest it's more of an anomaly and he's more likely to regress and miss game-time than have a simliar output.

I think X and his agent know that and are trying to cheat feat and get a deal done before.

The other thing is while he was pivotal in the defenses success is he willing to bet against coach Flo and Boyer finding away to adapt the defense to him not being there?
 
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KingHydra said:
The biggest issue I have is, we aren't building a team like this. At this point, I don't want X on our team. Get rid of this dude asap.
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Truly great players tend to be tolerated... for awhile, but the guys with the most negative personalities usually end up bouncing around their last few years in the league, and then being forced to retire a year or two early because no one wants to deal with them.

If you look at X, it isn't just the me, me, me personality... there was the arrest involving his girlfriend (which was dropped because it is likely that she attacked him for buying another woman a purse), and the situation with the shooting involving his former agent... the injuries... It's a lot to swallow unless he continues to be THE best.
 
SCOTTY said:
I want X there for leadership role. I 100% understand his need to hold out. Those that post any crap about players hold out when wanting more simply don't understand anything about business. A contract ISN'T a contract unless it's 100% guaranteed. Until the NFL moves to that, then these situations are going to increase in number. We can cut X right now and not pay his full contract. Lol there even posters here ready to trade him now...so I guess so much for his contract?
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Mods, this post right here is why we need down votes/dislike button returned for our use!!!
 
Feverdream said:
Ah... the narcissist POV. Seen it.
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Calling a spade a spade.

Spin it however you feel Dr.

But if you are surprised he held out than you are even more out of touch than I thought.

And I think very very little of your posts...
 
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