Here’s the deal...

[MiaFins31]

I always read books cover to cover in one sitting. Your post is just a few paragraphs long... how can a handful of sentences be such a problem for some people?

It’s truly unbelievable that people come into a thread and don’t read it bc it’s to long but feel the need to take the time to actually tell everybody they didn’t read it. These are the children who’s mommy didn’t pay them any attention so they seek it out anywhere they can get it

 

[bane]

I’ll just add that Jakeem Grant returned 2 punts today - one for 21 yards and another for 17. He also had a 32 yard KO return. No muffs. 19 yard punt return average is field-flipping and contributed to Chi’s win. Players play better after they leave Miami.

PS - even Charles Harris had a sack for Detroit today. Holy cow insult to injury. I need to buy lottos tonight.

That’s like 4 sacks for him. He never had that many in Miami. Wtf

 

[DrMultimedia]

Let’s start with what we have as far as players with value...

Tua Tagavailoa (Franchise QB or Trade Value)
Myles Gaskins (Starter or Depth)
DeVante Parker (Starter)
Preston Williams (Starter or Depth)
Jaylen Waddle (Starter)
Mike Gesicki (Starter)
Hunter Long (Starter or Depth)
Austin Jackson (Young Depth)
Solomon Kindley (Starter or Depth)
Robert Hunt (Starter)
Liam Eichenberg (Starter)
Christian Wilkins (Starter)
Raekwon Davis (Starter)
Jaelan Phillips (Starter)
Andrew Van Ginkel (Depth and ST)
Jerome Baker (Starter)
Xavier Howard (Starter or Trade Value)
Byron Jones (Starter or Trade Value)
Jevon Holland (Starter)
Jason Sanders (Starter)

The parentheses indicates what they are what they would eventually be or that they bring trade value. Now I’m not saying so and so will be a future superstar or so and so is a bust. I’m simply saying these are the legit NFL players on our roster and they are the most valuable players on our roster. That’s 20/53. That’s less than half of this team that are real NFL caliber guys or have trade value. That’s nowhere near enough for us to compete. Half of those guys (10) are on this list because they’re 1st or 2nd year players so we really don’t know anything yet other than they have the potential which is what gives them value.

Now from what I understand unless we just totally flop and go 1-16/2-15/3-14 Flores almost assuredly will be back. However with any of those records my guys believe Grier would definitely be gone and if we finish with a losing record they still believe Grier would be gone however I want to emphasize that... that is purely speculation and nothing concrete. That’s just what I’ve been told. But Flores has breathing room with Ross bc of the 1st 2 seasons he had. So I’m pretty certain Flores isn’t going anywhere even though I firmly believe he should be gone regardless bc like I said 2 weeks ago he completely lost me going for a tie in OT at LV but that’s for another day.

Grier is on thin ice as we speak. Ross fully expected a playoff team this year and at a minimum we had better been very close. As we all see barring some miracle turnaround that’s not going to be the case. Let’s take a look at the mistakes Grier has made and these are just off the top of my head. Please feel free to add any that I’m missing...

As I’ve stated in other threads we can’t put the Tua selection on him bc as I’ve said that was Ross pulling rank. Other than that....
2020 Draft 3 1st round picks... 1 clear bust in Iggy. It’s teetering on bust for Jackson. All we had to do was move up from 18 to 13 to get Tristan Wirfs who we had rated as the top OL on our draft board but we didn’t want to part with that 3rd rounder that would become Brandon Jones. And Tua we still don’t know 100% for sure even though I’m on the he’s not the guy side of things but nonetheless we don’t know that 100% for sure. When I say we I’m referring to the “football people” in the FO. He will have the rest of this season to show it or not. So if Tua fails that’s 3 complete misses with those 3 1st rounders from 2020. Even though as I said we can’t put Tua on Grier but still it counts somewhat.

The decision in 2019 to send a 2nd and 5th for Josh Rosen. Another complete failure as he lasted 1 year.

Completely ignoring the OL in FA basically the last 2 offseasons as we haven’t signed a guy out of FA that has solidified a starting spot on the OL.

Signing Kyle Van Noy who lasted 1 year. Signing Shaw Lawson who lasted 1 season. I’d say it’s fair to say Byron Jones hasn’t lived up to being worth the highest paid CB in the game bc that’s what they made him at the time and that’s an understatement. Ereck Flowers who lasted 1 year. Ted Karras lasted 1 year. Jordan Howard didn’t even last half a season. All money wasted.

Trading a 4th rounder for Lynn Bowden who’s spending the season on IR and has done nothing. Another deal with no return on investment.

Even though it was a conditional 7th rounder he still made a deal for Isaiah Wilson who didn’t last even a week.

Trading for Bernardrick McKinney who couldn’t even make the final roster cuts.

Outsmarting himself by moving from #3 to #12 and back up to #6 while giving away our own 1st rounder next year to Philly which is looking more likely by the week to be a top 10 pick and maybe even top 5. This is the one that’s just unforgivable to me personally. I knew it was a bad deal when we did it and stated so.

This one goes hand in hand with the paragraph above but trading what’s more than likely going to amount to 2 top 10 picks for a slot WR in Jaylen Waddle is another huge mistake. As JaMarr Chase is showing he was the guy to select at #3. I like Waddle and think he’s going to be very good but he’s getting to where he’s dropping multiple balls every week now. While Chase is putting up 100 yard games with TDs. I wanted Chase and said it over and over here so this isn’t hindsight. We could have stayed at #3 selected Chase and even though we wouldn’t know how to use we would own our 1st rounder for next year which is almost certainly going to be more valuable than SFs 2 #1s combined. We could have even selected Penei Sewell at #3 and I’d still feel a lot better. Some around the league even think that’s what we should have done.

After deciding not to give up a 3rd rounder to move up for Tristan Wirfs in 2020 he decides he won’t let it happen again so he decides to give up a 3rd rounder to move up in the 2nd round for Liam Eichenberg. I like Eichenberg but he’s not Tristan Wirfs. So let’s get this straight. Grier wouldn’t give up a 3rd to move up in the 1st round for the top rated OL on his draft board in Wirfs. But he’s willing to give up a 3rd to move up in the 2nd round for Eichenberg who they like but definitely didn’t have rated as the top OL on the draft board. Another head scratching move.

He’s completely avoided selecting any running back with all these picks the past 2 drafts. Even though Gaskins is starting to really show it now why not select at least 1 tailback in the 1st 3 rounds in the past 2 drafts to compliment him? Another mistake added to the list.

This past year in FA Corey Linsley was willing to visit us and hear an offer. Grier didn’t even pick up the phone and call him. He didn’t even try. So Linsley went to LA to protect Justin Herbert and you see the improvement in LAs OL? Amazing what the best Center in football can do for an OL.

Spent 10 million on Will Fuller who everybody in the league knows is always going to miss games because of injuries. He’s played what 1 game our of the first 5 for us so far? Another terrible decision.

Mike Gesicki is a top 10 TE in football and probably has been our most productive player over the past couple seasons and does he extend him? Nope and probably won’t.

Yet we extend Jakeem Grant who is now traded for a measles 6th rounder. We extend Jerome Baker and even though it’s not a terrible deal money wise for a starting LB Baker is rather average and was about as bad today against TB as I’ve seen him. More head scratching decisions.

All these decisions have been huge mistakes. How can any GM of an NFL franchise survive all these mistakes? I mean everybody is going to make mistakes it happens. But all of these compounded one on top of another? It’s just unbelievable.

I’m on the train of both Grier and Flores along with the entire staff and FO should be gone after this flop of a year and we just start over. The thing is we don’t have to start from scratch like we did when we started this present regime. We have some talent on this team. I fully believe that. We have a very young team but we need a coaching staff that’s going to teach coach and develop these young guys and get them to reach their potentials. A new staff would bring new energy. We need a proven head coach and GM that get hired together as a team and not forced on each other. We need them to have a plan of what we want to be offensively and defensively. We need a staff that’s going to continue to build around the pieces we have now. We still have draft picks coming up and we have money to spend in FA. We need a new staff to bring in some veterans to teach these young guys the NFL way and how to practice how to workout how to treat their bodies nutritionally. We need to do it after this season while we have ammo still in the reserve.

Nice post. Reading it was rather depressing. I often forget about some of the crazy stuff we've done. Maybe because I drink so much during the game. I'm sure it will be better next year. :)

 

[gofins60]

It’s truly unbelievable that people come into a thread and don’t read it bc it’s to long but feel the need to take the time to actually tell everybody they didn’t read it. These are the children who’s mommy didn’t pay them any attention so they seek it out anywhere they can get it

IMO, it's a big problem with the "texting" generation. They get only so many characters to use, so each message must be abbreviated down to a few words. It's sad... people will disagree with a post and question your point of view, but when you explain your position they don't even bother to read it: TLDR!

 

[MiaFins31]

Robert Kraft solicited prostitution and everyone seems to have forgotten what a scumbag he is. Roger Goodell will not punish Watson because he’s a star player and all the commish cares about is revenues. If they trade for Watson it will be from such a desperate position that I don’t see how it could ever pan out. He hasn’t been able to elevate the Texans. How can he elevate this mess? Aaron Rodgers I would get. Watson I don’t.

This response is going to be ridiculed but I understand the mess he’s in and yes he was stupid for putting himself in those situations but I spent 3 years around this guy when he was Clemson and I don’t believe for a second he forced or tried to force anything on a woman. Now he was definitely a womanizer at Clemson as he women hanging off him all the time I mean all the time. But he was never mean or put them down or did bad things or anything like that.

I mean bro unless you’re a Clemson fan you can’t understand how thirsty we were for success much less a national title. From the second he stepped on campus we all knew he was the guy that was going to take us to the promise land and he did. The guy was the best QB in the country for 2 years and should have won a Heisman but my point is he was the superstar QB who is worshipped in Clemson. If you were 19/20 years old and had women hanging off you at every moment if we’re being honest most men would have been knocking them down left and right just as he was and just like a lot of players do. So I can’t fault him for taking advantage when myself and most other men would have done the same.

I’m not saying he’s completely innocent and I’m sure he was trying to get some favors from this one or that one or a bunch of them but I don’t believe for a second he tried to force any of them. I’m sure some of them may have felt uncomfortable from something he said or a gesture from him but uncomfortable does not equal a crime.

The guy is the best leader of a locker room that I’ve ever personally been around. I’m not saying he’s the best leader I ever saw I’m saying he’s the best leader of a team I’ve known personally and I’ve met my share of great QBs. The team just knows if he’s pulling the trigger we got a chance. Yes his team was awful last year but he wasn’t. His numbers were the best of his career so far.

I’m not saying he’s the answer to all our problems but I am saying we’re a helluva lot closer to the promise land with him than with what we currently have. But I’ll be the first to say I don’t want to give up everything Houston wants and that we shouldn’t.

 

[royalshank]

This response is going to be ridiculed but I understand the mess he’s in and yes he was stupid for putting himself in those situations but I spent 3 years around this guy when he was Clemson and I don’t believe for a second he forced or tried to force anything on a woman. Now he was definitely a womanizer at Clemson as he women hanging off him all the time I mean all the time. But he was never mean or put them down or did bad things or anything like that.

I mean bro unless you’re a Clemson fan you can’t understand how thirsty we were for success much less a national title. From the second he stepped on campus we all knew he was the guy that was going to take us to the promise land and he did. The guy was the best QB in the country for 2 years and should have won a Heisman but my point is he was the superstar QB who is worshipped in Clemson. If you were 19/20 years old and had women hanging off you at every moment if we’re being honest most men would have been knocking them down left and right just as he was and just like a lot of players do. So I can’t fault him for taking advantage when myself and most other men would have done the same.

I’m not saying he’s completely innocent and I’m sure he was trying to get some favors from this one or that one or a bunch of them but I don’t believe for a second he tried to force any of them. I’m sure some of them may have felt uncomfortable from something he said or a gesture from him but uncomfortable does not equal a crime.

The guy is the best leader of a locker room that I’ve ever personally been around. I’m not saying he’s the best leader I ever saw I’m saying he’s the best leader of a team I’ve known personally and I’ve met my share of great QBs. The team just knows if he’s pulling the trigger we got a chance. Yes his team was awful last year but he wasn’t. His numbers were the best of his career so far.

I’m not saying he’s the answer to all our problems but I am saying we’re a helluva lot closer to the promise land with him than with what we currently have. But I’ll be the first to say I don’t want to give up everything Houston wants and that we shouldn’t.

I’m not judging the guy and I agree w what you’re saying about being 19-20 and being worshipped. I’m more concerned that we have no leverage in making such a trade. We are so desperate.

 

[Dolph N.Fan]

I wanna part ways with Parker and Baker.

 

[MiaFins31]

I’m not judging the guy and I agree w what you’re saying about being 19-20 and being worshipped. I’m more concerned that we have no leverage in making such a trade. We are so desperate.

Agreed but you also have to see it from the other side. Houston’s leverage is negated somewhat as well bc he’s got the veto power and they know he wants to be in Miami so it doesn’t matter what anybody else offers if he doesn’t agree to it. That’s why Miami has held out so far bc we ain’t going to bid against ourselves when we know we are the preferred destination.

As I said earlier I’m not saying we’re the only team he’ll accept a trade to but the couple others he would as of now either fixed the QB problem they had or they can’t offer what we could which obviously if you’re Houston you ain’t going to take less than what Miami has right.

 

[brumdog44]

I’ll just add that Jakeem Grant returned 2 punts today - one for 21 yards and another for 17. He also had a 32 yard KO return. No muffs. 19 yard punt return average is field-flipping and contributed to Chi’s win. Players play better after they leave Miami.

PS - even Charles Harris had a sack for Detroit today. Holy cow insult to injury. I need to buy lottos tonight.

You have to keep in mind that if he were in Miami today, he wouldn't have gotten 2 punts to return. Kickoffs, on the other hand, he would have had plenty if their kicker wasn't kicking through the end zone. You would think the dude would have tired out by the end.

 

[royalshank]

You have to keep in mind that if he were in Miami today, he wouldn't have gotten 2 punts to return. Kickoffs, on the other hand, he would have had plenty if their kicker wasn't kicking through the end zone. You would think the dude would have tired out by the end.

Good points. A PR is of no value when you can’t force a punt!

 

[1972forever]

Trade anyone with value to give the new leadership as many picks and salary cap to work with

That really worked with this staff, didn’t it. The problem with trading away good players is you have no idea how any draft pick will work out.
They traded away Tunsil and Fitzpatrick for draft picks and they haven’t come close to finding players in the draft who are close to the players those two players are. It sure would be nice to have Tunsil and
Fitzpatrick instead of Jackson and Iggy.

I like Waddle but they need a top tier LT more than a WR at this time.

 

[FanEnSpain]

49ers lost. Some good news

 

[Stoobz]

Dude relax. I was asking a question. Mind your damn business. He has insight and I was curious. I like tua too. But I wanted to know what he was talking about.

Mind your damn business?

What a statement on a public forum.

Take a damn chill pill and forget Watson the Molester to Miami.

 

[1972forever]

Ross would be a complete moron to fire Grier but allow Flores a free pass. If you are going to change then make a clean sweep. Hire a football Czar and let that person hire the new GM and head coach. Why saddle a new GM with Flores?

I have said that same thing every time he has fired one and not the other but he has constantly fired either the GM or the HC and allowed the one he didn’t fire to remain in his position.

He claimed in 2018 that what they were doing wasn’t working and therefore they needed to go in another direction by rebuilding the team. Hopefully this time he will realize that sticking with a GM and the coach he hired isn’t a good idea and he will decide the next GM should not be stuck with a HC hired
by Grier but he should be allowed to hire his own HC.

 

[bane]

Mind your damn business?

What a statement on a public forum.

Take a damn chill pill and forget Watson the Molester to Miami.

Right back at you Yes telling someone to stop asking questions just because it involves someone you don’t like on a public message board. Ya take your chill pill too