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Here’s the deal...

MiaFins31 said:
It’s truly unbelievable that people come into a thread and don’t read it bc it’s to long but feel the need to take the time to actually tell everybody they didn’t read it. These are the children who’s mommy didn’t pay them any attention so they seek it out anywhere they can get it
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That's a horrible take.

Horrible.
 
1972forever said:
That really worked with this staff, didn’t it. The problem with trading away good players is you have no idea how any draft pick will work out.
They traded away Tunsil and Fitzpatrick for draft picks and they haven’t come close to finding players in the draft who are close to the players those two players are. It sure would be nice to have Tunsil and
Fitzpatrick instead of Jackson and Iggy.

I like Waddle but they need a top tier LT more than a WR at this time.
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Yep. Trading pro bowl players on their rookie contracts is like taking a hit in blackjack with 20 and the dealer showing a 7.
 
Stoobz said:
That's a horrible take.

Horrible.
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No it’s not it’s right on the money. Other than wanting to say look at me look at me why else go in a thread not read it and then post to long didn’t read? What sense does that make?

So they took the time to click on the thread go to the bottom of post click reply type out that they didn’t read and then click another post but they couldn’t take the time to just read it? What????
 
Stoobz said:
Mind your damn business?

What a statement on a public forum.

Take a damn chill pill and forget Watson the Molester to Miami.
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Some people forget that when you are writing on a public forum, you don’t have the same privacy rights you have when you are writing to an individual. On here whatever you write is everyone’s business whether they like it or not. If he expects someone to “mind their damn business”, he obviously shouldn’t
be on this or any other public form.
 
1972forever said:
Some people forget that when you are writing on a public forum, you don’t have the same privacy rights you have when you are writing to an individual. On here whatever you write is everyone’s business whether they like it or not. If he expects someone to “mind their damn business”, he obviously shouldn’t
be on this or any other public form.
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So shouldn’t the guy then take his own advice? He told that poster not to write about Watson or to shut up about Watson. So it’s not ok for him to tell him to worry about himself but it’s ok for the other guy to tell him what he can or can’t say on a... as you said... public forum?
 
MiaFins31 said:
No it’s not it’s right on the money. Other than wanting to say look at me look at me why else go in a thread not read it and then post to long didn’t read? What sense does that make?

So they took the time to click on the thread go to the bottom of post click reply type out that they didn’t read and then click another post but they couldn’t take the time to just read it? What????
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Being that I WAS going to go back and read you precious post when ~I~ had time, judging by your reactions here and there, I don't think I need to now.

Have a good evening.
 
1972forever said:
That really worked with this staff, didn’t it. The problem with trading away good players is you have no idea how any draft pick will work out.
They traded away Tunsil and Fitzpatrick for draft picks and they haven’t come close to finding players in the draft who are close to the players those two players are. It sure would be nice to have Tunsil and
Fitzpatrick instead of Jackson and Iggy.

I like Waddle but they need a top tier LT more than a WR at this time.
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I didn’t even like Tunsil and felt he was overrated (still do) but he’s Richmond Webb compared to Jackson. And Minkah is a probowl d-back while the guy we got doesn’t even dress. So we traded 2 pro bowl players at T and DB and drafted a T and a DB who absolutely suck while the other two guys continue their probowl careers. Unbelievable.
 
Stoobz said:
Being that I WAS going to go back and read you precious post when ~I~ had time, judging by your reactions here and there, I don't think I need to now.

Have a good evening.
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That’s probably for the best. It includes parts about Watson who you seem to hate anyway and obviously you would bring nothing of value in response anyway.

You have a good one as well.
 
1972forever said:
Some people forget that when you are writing on a public forum, you don’t have the same privacy rights you have when you are writing to an individual. On here whatever you write is everyone’s business whether they like it or not. If he expects someone to “mind their damn business”, he obviously shouldn’t
be on this or any other public form.
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The guy told me to stop asking about Watson. It was my right to tell him to mind his own business. I can ask about Watson tua or whoever. He doesn’t control what questions I can ask another poster.
 
I heard very similar about Flores through an agent, his act is wearing players thin.

I know Ross doesn't like firing anyone, like it eats his soul to do it. They both need to go if they don't deliver this season.
 
MiaFins31 said:
Let’s start with what we have as far as players with value...

Tua Tagavailoa (Franchise QB or Trade Value)
Myles Gaskins (Starter or Depth)
DeVante Parker (Starter)
Preston Williams (Starter or Depth)
Jaylen Waddle (Starter)
Mike Gesicki (Starter)
Hunter Long (Starter or Depth)
Austin Jackson (Young Depth)
Solomon Kindley (Starter or Depth)
Robert Hunt (Starter)
Liam Eichenberg (Starter)
Christian Wilkins (Starter)
Raekwon Davis (Starter)
Jaelan Phillips (Starter)
Andrew Van Ginkel (Depth and ST)
Jerome Baker (Starter)
Xavier Howard (Starter or Trade Value)
Byron Jones (Starter or Trade Value)
Jevon Holland (Starter)
Jason Sanders (Starter)

The parentheses indicates what they are what they would eventually be or that they bring trade value. Now I’m not saying so and so will be a future superstar or so and so is a bust. I’m simply saying these are the legit NFL players on our roster and they are the most valuable players on our roster. That’s 20/53. That’s less than half of this team that are real NFL caliber guys or have trade value. That’s nowhere near enough for us to compete. Half of those guys (10) are on this list because they’re 1st or 2nd year players so we really don’t know anything yet other than they have the potential which is what gives them value.

Now from what I understand unless we just totally flop and go 1-16/2-15/3-14 Flores almost assuredly will be back. However with any of those records my guys believe Grier would definitely be gone and if we finish with a losing record they still believe Grier would be gone however I want to emphasize that... that is purely speculation and nothing concrete. That’s just what I’ve been told. But Flores has breathing room with Ross bc of the 1st 2 seasons he had. So I’m pretty certain Flores isn’t going anywhere even though I firmly believe he should be gone regardless bc like I said 2 weeks ago he completely lost me going for a tie in OT at LV but that’s for another day.

Grier is on thin ice as we speak. Ross fully expected a playoff team this year and at a minimum we had better been very close. As we all see barring some miracle turnaround that’s not going to be the case. Let’s take a look at the mistakes Grier has made and these are just off the top of my head. Please feel free to add any that I’m missing...

As I’ve stated in other threads we can’t put the Tua selection on him bc as I’ve said that was Ross pulling rank. Other than that....
2020 Draft 3 1st round picks... 1 clear bust in Iggy. It’s teetering on bust for Jackson. All we had to do was move up from 18 to 13 to get Tristan Wirfs who we had rated as the top OL on our draft board but we didn’t want to part with that 3rd rounder that would become Brandon Jones. And Tua we still don’t know 100% for sure even though I’m on the he’s not the guy side of things but nonetheless we don’t know that 100% for sure. When I say we I’m referring to the “football people” in the FO. He will have the rest of this season to show it or not. So if Tua fails that’s 3 complete misses with those 3 1st rounders from 2020. Even though as I said we can’t put Tua on Grier but still it counts somewhat.

The decision in 2019 to send a 2nd and 5th for Josh Rosen. Another complete failure as he lasted 1 year.

Completely ignoring the OL in FA basically the last 2 offseasons as we haven’t signed a guy out of FA that has solidified a starting spot on the OL.

Signing Kyle Van Noy who lasted 1 year. Signing Shaw Lawson who lasted 1 season. I’d say it’s fair to say Byron Jones hasn’t lived up to being worth the highest paid CB in the game bc that’s what they made him at the time and that’s an understatement. Ereck Flowers who lasted 1 year. Ted Karras lasted 1 year. Jordan Howard didn’t even last half a season. All money wasted.

Trading a 4th rounder for Lynn Bowden who’s spending the season on IR and has done nothing. Another deal with no return on investment.

Even though it was a conditional 7th rounder he still made a deal for Isaiah Wilson who didn’t last even a week.

Trading for Bernardrick McKinney who couldn’t even make the final roster cuts.

Outsmarting himself by moving from #3 to #12 and back up to #6 while giving away our own 1st rounder next year to Philly which is looking more likely by the week to be a top 10 pick and maybe even top 5. This is the one that’s just unforgivable to me personally. I knew it was a bad deal when we did it and stated so.

This one goes hand in hand with the paragraph above but trading what’s more than likely going to amount to 2 top 10 picks for a slot WR in Jaylen Waddle is another huge mistake. As JaMarr Chase is showing he was the guy to select at #3. I like Waddle and think he’s going to be very good but he’s getting to where he’s dropping multiple balls every week now. While Chase is putting up 100 yard games with TDs. I wanted Chase and said it over and over here so this isn’t hindsight. We could have stayed at #3 selected Chase and even though we wouldn’t know how to use we would own our 1st rounder for next year which is almost certainly going to be more valuable than SFs 2 #1s combined. We could have even selected Penei Sewell at #3 and I’d still feel a lot better. Some around the league even think that’s what we should have done.

After deciding not to give up a 3rd rounder to move up for Tristan Wirfs in 2020 he decides he won’t let it happen again so he decides to give up a 3rd rounder to move up in the 2nd round for Liam Eichenberg. I like Eichenberg but he’s not Tristan Wirfs. So let’s get this straight. Grier wouldn’t give up a 3rd to move up in the 1st round for the top rated OL on his draft board in Wirfs. But he’s willing to give up a 3rd to move up in the 2nd round for Eichenberg who they like but definitely didn’t have rated as the top OL on the draft board. Another head scratching move.

He’s completely avoided selecting any running back with all these picks the past 2 drafts. Even though Gaskins is starting to really show it now why not select at least 1 tailback in the 1st 3 rounds in the past 2 drafts to compliment him? Another mistake added to the list.

This past year in FA Corey Linsley was willing to visit us and hear an offer. Grier didn’t even pick up the phone and call him. He didn’t even try. So Linsley went to LA to protect Justin Herbert and you see the improvement in LAs OL? Amazing what the best Center in football can do for an OL.

Spent 10 million on Will Fuller who everybody in the league knows is always going to miss games because of injuries. He’s played what 1 game our of the first 5 for us so far? Another terrible decision.

Mike Gesicki is a top 10 TE in football and probably has been our most productive player over the past couple seasons and does he extend him? Nope and probably won’t.

Yet we extend Jakeem Grant who is now traded for a measles 6th rounder. We extend Jerome Baker and even though it’s not a terrible deal money wise for a starting LB Baker is rather average and was about as bad today against TB as I’ve seen him. More head scratching decisions.

All these decisions have been huge mistakes. How can any GM of an NFL franchise survive all these mistakes? I mean everybody is going to make mistakes it happens. But all of these compounded one on top of another? It’s just unbelievable.

I’m on the train of both Grier and Flores along with the entire staff and FO should be gone after this flop of a year and we just start over. The thing is we don’t have to start from scratch like we did when we started this present regime. We have some talent on this team. I fully believe that. We have a very young team but we need a coaching staff that’s going to teach coach and develop these young guys and get them to reach their potentials. A new staff would bring new energy. We need a proven head coach and GM that get hired together as a team and not forced on each other. We need them to have a plan of what we want to be offensively and defensively. We need a staff that’s going to continue to build around the pieces we have now. We still have draft picks coming up and we have money to spend in FA. We need a new staff to bring in some veterans to teach these young guys the NFL way and how to practice how to workout how to treat their bodies nutritionally. We need to do it after this season while we have ammo still in the reserve.
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Grier is going nowhere
 
joenhre said:
Why saddle a new GM with Flores?
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Sadly because that’s what Ross has always done. The Phins/Ross have been duped by execs and coaches too many times. Used as leverage in negotiations with other teams that candidates really want to go to. This is a billionaire that thinks he can discretely fly his own plane to interview a HC candidate and that the media won’t get tipped off. Ross did this while Phins HC had not been fired.

I think his worst move was publicly giving job security to a mediocre HC right after a meaningless blocked punt win.
 
boho44 said:
Can someone please clarify that we traded two first rounders for the waddle pick? Didn't we get SF first as well after the moves we made? Basically we got Waddle and a 1st for our two firsts?
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I believe we traded 2 firsts and a third for Waddle. It was a horrible trade. Not because I don’t like Waddle, but you simply don’t trade that much for a small speedy WR. It literally has never been done before in the history of the NFL.
 
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