If we performed as poorly as the OL has performed I think he would make an effort to find out what was going on.......
How does our head coach not know about basically our whole oline having turmoil?
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If we performed as poorly as the OL has performed I think he would make an effort to find out what was going on.......
Fair enough. My feelings on this are aside from my feelings of him not being a good coach. He set the environment. He didn't wanted leaders with voices in the locker room. Guys that spoke up ended up being gone which IMO has lead to severe trust issues.
So, if your feelings take you to the other side of the fence your reasons aren't those that would facilitate an intelligent conversation?
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I plan on reading the entire thing, just haven't had time to today, been a little busy dealing with the effects of weather. If after reading the entire thing I change my mind I will have no issue saying so.
You are putting words in my mouth. If was intelligent because they gave examples to back up their thoughts and spoke from experience. That is why it was intelligent, over the people who are just yelling "he should have known!" with no reasoning.
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You are absolutely right Nublar the hc shouldn't know about petty things like this!
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Here is where holds some responsibility. He wanted high-character players. Vontae Davis was traded in part because he partied too much and showed up to practice drunk. Brandon Marshall was traded because he was a disruptive force and had personal issues. Chad "Johnson" was cut because of his legal problems. Yet Martin, Incognito, and Pouncey all seem to have substance abuse issues, make terrible decisions off the field repeatedly, Martin misses workouts, etc....and all of them are still on the team last season.
I disagree Josh as Joe should have some kind of knowledge it was going on, or someone on his so called leadership council should have let him know what was happening. The head coach can't be oblivious to what is happening with his team. I still think Joe is in way over his head.
Except his leadership council didn't let him know. Neither did the assistant coach(Turner) who did know.
young frankenstein shouldnt be fired cause of this, he should be fired cause hes an idiot and was supposed to be an offensive guru. hes a guru of standing on the sideline with his mouth open and looking like a dodo bird...how this guy even got the job is beyond me. the offense is as bad as i can remember and the defense is getting just as bad. this guy is an AWFUL head coach!
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Can we stop comparing a normal job to an nfl locker room?
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I think it's on Turner. The head of any organization has to rely on his deputies to be his eyes and ears toward the lower levels.
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Not even close to Cam Cameron. The team Cameron had went 1-15 then proceeded to go 11-5 with Tony Sparano as its coach.
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Im sure the highest chair in your office building knows the intricate nature of your emotional state and relationships between you and your colleagues (sarcasm).
Unless you are a head honcho yourself rubbing elbows with upper-management, Im sure Vice-President Smith doesn't have the slightest idea of receptionist Stacey's loathing of the way secretary Becky's passive-aggressive comments regarding Stacey's fashion sense is affecting Stacey. Furthermore, I can guarantee Vice-President Smith doesn't know that Stacey's second and third guessing in front of the mirror in the mornings has lead to tardiness. And he will not know until this behavior is so prevalent that it is an obvious issue regarding company policy.
So, now you want to fire Vice-President Smith as well as Office Manager Jane because Vice-President Smith was not alerted by Office Manager Jane that Office Manager Jane should have suspected that Stacey was severely suffering from personal matters and comments, such as those made in many offices by many employees that dont get along, will result in detrimental circumstances to the company when Stacey throws the stapler across the room one day, storms out, and decides to hire an attorney.
It shocks me, the lack of perspective on this forum.
Martin's actions and lack of actions and lack of ability to control his emotional state in order to apply any action caused this turmoil.
Have any of you even read the report? I read all 148 pages, every word. If you read it, you're telling me that Martin's fear is Philbin's fault, that Martin's history of depression is on Philbin, that Martin didn't have the ability to seek a tactful resolve to his suffering due to his self loathing holds Philbin accountable?
How about this? How about Martin telling his coach that he needs to meet with him in private? How about Martin explaining to Philbin that the current situation he is facing cannot be solved blatantly because it would only cause further turmoil for him? How about the possibility of Philbin acting tactfully, hanging around clicks in the locker room and dropping in on meetings unexpectedly? How about Philbin, after exhibiting this rare behavior of hanging around more often, holds a full staff meeting and explains that he has heard verbiage in the locker room that will not be accepted and anyone caught speaking this way will be reported to Goodell as well as heavily disciplined with fines and suspensions? I guess we'll never know.
The issue at hand is behavior in the work place and how an widely accepted culture affected one individual to amounts far beyond that of normal. Due to this incident, strong guidelines and disciplinary actions must be elevated.
You want to hold coaches accountable for mental illness, a monster Martin himself created in his own mind?
There wasnt any issues with other lineman because the others knew that this language and behavior is widespread in the profession and they had the mental capacity and emotional stability to deal with it accordingly. I didnt see Player A, as the report alludes to, storm out creating havoc after he was unacceptably touched by his teammates.
Martin's mental illnesse plays a huge, HUGE roll here. My brother was diagnosed with bipolar 1 and I have experienced first hand that this is not a "walk it off" affliction. It is a serious illness and it can make a whirlwind of someone's life.
Incognito's language, actions, overall state of being are incorrect and should not be accepted in the work place. But we all know this work place is different and, unfortunately, it became a norm. In high school, varsity would initiate JV by what they called red-doggng. They would physically over power you and hump you doggy style when you least expected it. The coaches would walk by when this was happening and wouldnt even show the slightest iota of interest. They would be holding a conversation in the weight room while this was taking place. Why? It was tradition. It was the norm. And until some kid spoke up, it would continue to be the norm and accepted.
I was alway smart enough to have my back against the wall when we were lifting with varsity. I saw the star LB Armando smirking with evilness and heading my way with his click. I told him, "i cant take all of you but your mother is not going to recognize one of you when you get home tonight." I remember that as if it were yesterday. Star LB extended his hand and said, "Well done. Leave him alone."
Unless you are a head honcho yourself rubbing elbows with upper-management, Im sure Vice-President Smith doesn't have the slightest idea of receptionist Stacey's loathing of the way secretary Becky's passive-aggressive comments regarding Stacey's fashion sense is affecting Stacey. Furthermore, I can guarantee Vice-President Smith doesn't know that Stacey's second and third guessing in front of the mirror in the mornings has lead to tardiness. And he will not know until this behavior is so prevalent that it is an obvious issue regarding company policy.
So, now you want to fire Vice-President Smith as well as Office Manager Jane because Vice-President Smith was not alerted by Office Manager Jane that Office Manager Jane should have suspected that Stacey was severely suffering from personal matters and comments, such as those made in many offices by many employees that dont get along, will result in detrimental circumstances to the company when Stacey throws the stapler across the room one day, storms out, and decides to hire an attorney.
It shocks me, the lack of perspective on this forum.
Martin's actions and lack of actions and lack of ability to control his emotional state in order to apply any action caused this turmoil.
Have any of you even read the report? I read all 148 pages, every word. If you read it, you're telling me that Martin's fear is Philbin's fault, that Martin's history of depression is on Philbin, that Martin didn't have the ability to seek a tactful resolve to his suffering due to his self loathing holds Philbin accountable?
How about this? How about Martin telling his coach that he needs to meet with him in private? How about Martin explaining to Philbin that the current situation he is facing cannot be solved blatantly because it would only cause further turmoil for him? How about the possibility of Philbin acting tactfully, hanging around clicks in the locker room and dropping in on meetings unexpectedly? How about Philbin, after exhibiting this rare behavior of hanging around more often, holds a full staff meeting and explains that he has heard verbiage in the locker room that will not be accepted and anyone caught speaking this way will be reported to Goodell as well as heavily disciplined with fines and suspensions? I guess we'll never know.
The issue at hand is behavior in the work place and how an widely accepted culture affected one individual to amounts far beyond that of normal. Due to this incident, strong guidelines and disciplinary actions must be elevated.
You want to hold coaches accountable for mental illness, a monster Martin himself created in his own mind?
There wasnt any issues with other lineman because the others knew that this language and behavior is widespread in the profession and they had the mental capacity and emotional stability to deal with it accordingly. I didnt see Player A, as the report alludes to, storm out creating havoc after he was unacceptably touched by his teammates.
Martin's mental illnesse plays a huge, HUGE roll here. My brother was diagnosed with bipolar 1 and I have experienced first hand that this is not a "walk it off" affliction. It is a serious illness and it can make a whirlwind of someone's life.
Incognito's language, actions, overall state of being are incorrect and should not be accepted in the work place. But we all know this work place is different and, unfortunately, it became a norm. In high school, varsity would initiate JV by what they called red-doggng. They would physically over power you and hump you doggy style when you least expected it. The coaches would walk by when this was happening and wouldnt even show the slightest iota of interest. They would be holding a conversation in the weight room while this was taking place. Why? It was tradition. It was the norm. And until some kid spoke up, it would continue to be the norm and accepted.
I was alway smart enough to have my back against the wall when we were lifting with varsity. I saw the star LB Armando smirking with evilness and heading my way with his click. I told him, "i cant take all of you but your mother is not going to recognize one of you when you get home tonight." I remember that as if it were yesterday. Star LB extended his hand and said, "Well done. Leave him alone."
My point has been if he had enough trust in the locker room he would have known. Philbin set the tone for the locker room by not wanting leaders or team captains. That is on Philbin, he doesn't like team captains and the team leaders that went to him about forming a council were all gone the next year. That is Philbin and that is my issue.