Originally posted by ZOD
No not quite.
Ice,
There were more people here defending Jay because of the poor play of the line than there were partaking in that scenario.
I was actually faulting receivers and in one case the playcalling more than Fiedler or the line.
I defended the Play of Jay Fiedler in the offseason placing fault on the line and I was blasted by most.
Sure there are some "haters" who are "cloud 9" right now.
But there are numerous people (like me) who are just tired of the debate, the play, and the final results of our former field general.
I may be wrong here but my perception is that the people who have acquiesced (sp) far outnumber the people who came into this season with a predetermined opinion of the player.
Jay's shortcomings were listed as the following:
a) inconsitent
b) can't come back
c) makes poor decisions
d) has no arm
Let's see Brian..
a) he is inconsitent. Look at the tale of two halves. In the second have of the SD game his rating was 54 and in the first half against Indy it was 56. Both halves he was below a 50% completion rate.
b) can't come back...best example against Indy. Getting the ball at the 15 yard line and not producing points
c) let's recall the intentional grounding, the almost safety and the extremly important fumble at the end of the game. A QB has to know in certain situation if he should tuck the ball, take the sack or throw it away.
d) Brian's arm is not THAT much better than Jay's. I have yet to see the "long bomb". Not the 20 yard pass which was carried by the receiver for another 20 or 30. Jay has done that as well.
I did defend Jay over the years simply because I knew the shortcomings of our team. OL was an issue last year and it was this year. Brian may excell in an offense who can give him the protection. He is what he is ...a pocket passer. I also defended Jay because there was no upgrade available which you could consider value at a reasonable price. Sure we could have hit it big in FA bu we most likely would have to give up JT or Zach or other on D and I doubt we would have had Ricky then.
Jay is not a HOFer and he frustrates you as hell sometimes but there is that thing about him where you say "Man, this guy is gutty". he can go on a hot streak like the beginning of last year where you say...that dude is probowl caliber and then he goes back into mediocricy. A lot I blamed on the OL and WRs on...and I still do.
I just find it awkward that 2 weeks ago it was all about the QB and suddenly it becomes all about OL and play calling and WRs (with a few posters excempt of course). The fumble is conviniently swiped under the table of course...after all it was not an INT. I remember how Jay was literally burned at stake for fumbling the ball near midfield while we were leading 21-3 (in the Meadow lands). I still can hear the screams "He almost cost us a game", "He can't hold on to the ball".
Times surely have changed.....
One thing I have seen and which really bothers me a lot is that some fans now have traded wins for a couple of good passes. Wins are the most important thing for me. I could care less about pretty passes between the redzones. Give me ugly passes and continue to score........any day.
Nobody is talking about the fumble at the end of the game (Hey Brian, tuck the ball); nobody is talking about the intentional grounding (that would be a good time to swallow a sack); nobody is talking about the almost safety (which with a different ref crew could have been a safety); nobody is talking about the two almost INTs (which were a big thing when Jay played); nobody is talking about our inept offense in the first half (80 yards passing of which 40 came on one play...going 5-13...QBR56, 26 yards running)...nobody is talking about those things. Let's talk about Brian's 2 pretty passes,,,,,,wins have become secondary.