I forgot Seifert coached the Panthers. Hugh Jackson was an epic fail of a HC. Sam Bradford was the no 1 pick? Heaven help us if we get a guy like that.
How will Flores regain respect of team after a historically bad season? (Analysis)
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Regain it? Does that mean he actually had it at some point?
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This is his rookie season as well (HC)...and it shows.
The little things have to be rectified...like not sticking to the running game (up the gut no less) when it's getting stonewalled, and don't be afraid to lose some challenges. That Williams 'drop' he should have thrown the flag whether it succeeds or not. You miss every shot you don't take and there was nothing to lose and everything to gain (a TD, player's respect/confidence) by challenging that.
I'm trying to stay positive but
The little things have to be rectified...like not sticking to the running game (up the gut no less) when it's getting stonewalled, and don't be afraid to lose some challenges. That Williams 'drop' he should have thrown the flag whether it succeeds or not. You miss every shot you don't take and there was nothing to lose and everything to gain (a TD, player's respect/confidence) by challenging that.
I'm trying to stay positive but
First off season is not over yet, so Miami might grow enough to win some games here and there.
If Miami does end up with the worst record in football (or close to it), with an all out attack in FA and the Draft, do what Jimmy Johnson did after The Cowboys sucked bigtime, make sure the coaching staff coach their butt off with the new Dolphins in, and make sure nobody enjoys seeing Miami on their schedule in 2020 or 2021.
If Miami does end up with the worst record in football (or close to it), with an all out attack in FA and the Draft, do what Jimmy Johnson did after The Cowboys sucked bigtime, make sure the coaching staff coach their butt off with the new Dolphins in, and make sure nobody enjoys seeing Miami on their schedule in 2020 or 2021.
I look at the fact that a player like Howard has regressed under this coaching staff. I don’t expect much from all the players who should be on a practice squad or working at Home Depot instead of being on an active roster, but when your best player on defense looks no better than a PS player, we have a problem.
Eventually this organization is going to have to convince free agents and draftees to want to be here and that means they have to buy into what the coaches are selling them. The reason some of the possible head coaches didn’t want to even interview for the job is because they wanted nothing to do with a rebuilding job.
Unless your Jimmy Johnson and you already have a young good nucleus to start with, you are not going to survive as a head coach in the NFL if you are at the beginning of the rebuilding job. History clearly shows this to be a fact.
I suspect that Ross will recognize that the players will not be buying into Flores and the coaching staff by the end of 2020 and it will be the next HC and the new GM who will be hired to continue the rebuilding program started by Grier and Flores.
Ross will live with the mess that is the 2019 Dolphins simply because he has no choice at this late date. The reality is this complete rebuild should have taken place when Ross purchased the team. While Ross might be okay with a lousy team this year, he isn’t getting any younger and he will eventually demand a quicker fix by the time the 2020 season ends.
I give Grier and Flores until the end of the 2020 season and then I think there will be a new GM and HC hired to take over the team in 2021. This is just a case of Grier wanting to hire someone who was willing to accept that his team would be terrible and Flores knowing that his opportunity to be an NFL head coach might not come again.
It would not surprise me at all if the players aren’t already starting to tune out the coaches. It certainly appeared today that Howard has decided to take his money and play like the other practice squad players on the roster. It will not surprise me in the least if Howard isn’t traded before the end of the trade deadline.
Unfortunately if he continues to play like he did today, the Dolphins will be lucky to get even a 5th round pick for him.
Eventually this organization is going to have to convince free agents and draftees to want to be here and that means they have to buy into what the coaches are selling them. The reason some of the possible head coaches didn’t want to even interview for the job is because they wanted nothing to do with a rebuilding job.
Unless your Jimmy Johnson and you already have a young good nucleus to start with, you are not going to survive as a head coach in the NFL if you are at the beginning of the rebuilding job. History clearly shows this to be a fact.
I suspect that Ross will recognize that the players will not be buying into Flores and the coaching staff by the end of 2020 and it will be the next HC and the new GM who will be hired to continue the rebuilding program started by Grier and Flores.
Ross will live with the mess that is the 2019 Dolphins simply because he has no choice at this late date. The reality is this complete rebuild should have taken place when Ross purchased the team. While Ross might be okay with a lousy team this year, he isn’t getting any younger and he will eventually demand a quicker fix by the time the 2020 season ends.
I give Grier and Flores until the end of the 2020 season and then I think there will be a new GM and HC hired to take over the team in 2021. This is just a case of Grier wanting to hire someone who was willing to accept that his team would be terrible and Flores knowing that his opportunity to be an NFL head coach might not come again.
It would not surprise me at all if the players aren’t already starting to tune out the coaches. It certainly appeared today that Howard has decided to take his money and play like the other practice squad players on the roster. It will not surprise me in the least if Howard isn’t traded before the end of the trade deadline.
Unfortunately if he continues to play like he did today, the Dolphins will be lucky to get even a 5th round pick for him.
The difference is that Jimmy Johnson was an excellent head coach when he was with the Cowboys. He also had a great coaching staff and since he was fresh out of college coaching, he knew what players to draft to rebuild quickly.
There is nothing I have seen yet to show that Flores is even a good headcoach, much less an excellent head coach. His coaching staff appears to be ordinary at best and perhaps below average.
During the Johnson era in Dallas free agency was not an issue and players either bought into the coaching staff or they were traded or cut. The money players were earning wasn’t close to the money they earn today. There were no guaranteed money or salary cap during his time in Dallas.
Coaches were not limited in regards to practice time. Players either went along with the program or they were out of the league. Today if a player doesn’t like his team or the situation he finds himself in on the team and he is a better player, he demands a trade, sits out games or leaves in free agency. None of these issues were something Johnson had to deal with when he was the Cowboys HC.
Back in the old days, it was do as I say or don’t let the door hit you butt on the way out. Now if players aren’t happy, they have options they didn’t have when Johnson was coaching in Dallas.
Flores is not going anywhere after year 1 and probably year 2 unless he goes winless two years in a row. This whole gutting the team was explained to Flores before he was fired. Flores is trying to win with this shell of a team but he knows ultimately his job is safe for a couple of years.
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He's not going to regain the confidence of the team because history indicates such coaches like Flores will not survive, regardless of whatever he was told by ownership. Billionaires are fickle and they do not like to be publicly humiliated, they're also not noted for their humility and willingness to take responsibility for their lapses in judgment, that's what their subordinates are for. The majority stock holder doesn't fail the CEO and Board fails.
The only coach that survived winning one or fewer games in a season were Jimmy Johnson and Hue Jackson and this situation is a lot more like the latter then the former. And don't put it beyond the league office to intervene. They've done it before when teams were struggling with inept ownership. This might not be known to a lot of younger fans but the NFL commissioner at one point told George Young, who was then in the Miami front office to take the Giants' GM position because it was embarrassing to the league for them to be as bad as they were in the 60s and 70s.
The only coach that survived winning one or fewer games in a season were Jimmy Johnson and Hue Jackson and this situation is a lot more like the latter then the former. And don't put it beyond the league office to intervene. They've done it before when teams were struggling with inept ownership. This might not be known to a lot of younger fans but the NFL commissioner at one point told George Young, who was then in the Miami front office to take the Giants' GM position because it was embarrassing to the league for them to be as bad as they were in the 60s and 70s.
But that's the thing, did Jimmy Johnson really look like an excellent HC when the Cowboys went winless, and they ended up picking #1 overall?
I am not saying that our coaching is or will be as good as the cowboys, but it's still early for them on a team that has been stripped down of very little talent.
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JJ also had a history of success as a national championship winning collegiate head coach to lean on.
Flores was never a head coach on any level, much less a successful one.
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Crazy people are calling for Flores' head while he's working with a gutted roster. Not that I'm sold on him by any stretch..
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I mean if he gets fired after the season, so be it. Its not a huge loss. With all this draft capital and cap space, it would be an attractive job. Much more attractive than last offseason when we hired our coach last.
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It's ALWAYS best to make final judgements early, even before you have substantial evidence to base it on.