“I Don’t Get the Tua Doubt” – Rich Eisen Predicts a Bright Future for Dolphins’ QB | Rich Eisen Show | Page 8 | FinHeaven - Miami Dolphins Forums

“I Don’t Get the Tua Doubt” – Rich Eisen Predicts a Bright Future for Dolphins’ QB | Rich Eisen Show

so when does season start? sunday. let me be judge. after 17 game hit me back??? last year over. 10 and 6 was good yr for team. this new yr..
So again, you're refusing to examine CURRENT data. Why are you scared of having this conversation? I guarantee you didn't even bother watching the video I linked even though it was only 9 minutes long.
 
So again, you're refusing to examine CURRENT data. Why are you scared of having this conversation? I guarantee you didn't even bother watching the video I linked even though it was only 9 minutes long.
I have seen Tua play in nfl. He need experience at this level.. this sunday will be good test for him. I am not saying he good or bad. I need see more of him play. To get good evaluation of him...
 
"I have gone some way towards establishing the link between an accurate quarterback and an efficient supporting cast. With this in mind, we should have high hopes for Miami Dolphins quarterback Tua TagovailoaP in 2021. He posted a 7.9 Accuracy Rating a year ago, the same as Aaron RodgersP and Teddy BridgewaterP. He also delivered a Catchable Pass Rate of 80.3-percent in 2020. Only Rodgers and Drew BreesP were better. Yet he managed a dismal 13.8 (No. 28) Fantasy Points per Game. Can we attach some blame to the players around him? With a -7.17 (No. 26) Supporting Cast Efficiency rating, you bet we can."

Thanks.

Accuracy Rating grades the accuracy each of throw on a 1-10 scale. A grade from 1-3 represents the most errant throws, a 4-7 mark represents throws in some range of catchable but sub-optimal, and a score of 8-10 represents the most pinpoint passes. These allow receivers to convert receptions and gain yards after the catch. Quarterbacks with Accuracy Ratings above 6.0 are considered highly accurate, and those below 4.0 are considered highly inaccurate.

So how many people are grading each throw? Does it have year to year consistency?

SIS rates his accuracy very low:



How is the accuracy rating you mentioned superior?
 
I kind of hate to do this, because the past is the past. Joe Philbin, Mike Sherman, and Bill Lazor had Tannehill handcuffed for four seasons. He couldn't call the offense from the line of scrimmage under those guys. He wasn't allowed to make adjustments even if he saw a blitz coming. It's remarkable that he even did what he did under those guys. And again, those teams had terrible O lines and the offenses were designed to be fast and quick execution, which was Tannehill... but his receivers often weren't open so he would take the given a lot of the time.

What Tua has shown in a few games is he will take a shot into the end zone when within the 30. Tannehill would take 7 or 8 yards on a high percentage play rather than going for the kill. Best thing I can say regarding Tua is that he has been coached to win, and he has been coached to be a winner. Tua has been taught to be excellent. That isn't to say that Tannehill isn't excellent, but his career doesn't carry the same pedigree of coaching and winning. Basically, I feel like Tua expects to win, and he should expect to win. Tannehill's coaches... I don't know what the f--k those morons expected, and it damn well showed!
Coached to win? As opposed to all the coaches that coach to lose? Perplexing statement.

That said, not a one of us has an idea on what Tua will be. The "haters" are not actually that. I'm sure they all would love to be wrong in what they saw. More about perspective. I rewatched all of tuas starts, minus that last bills game. When rewatching what I saw was a very hesitant QB. His accuracy was not consistent at times, IE...leading receiver to the ground with passes. I also saw alot of balls that should or could have been picked. I also saw some pretty well placed balls. Hopefully we see some consistency this season. He does have many more targets so that should help. I'd like to see Tua improve his pocket presence, which is scary with the current Oline. What I saw positive from Tua came more in the off season. He did not like his season and immediately went to work to improve. He is an intelligent QB, and that along with more experience will improve his game. Tua isn't the most athletic of quarterbacks and in my opinion, he doesn't have but average arm strength. My prediction for Tua's career is a middle of the road QB at best. Worse case, he is a career clipboard holder. I know I know, Josh Allen stunk his first year. Tua is not JA. Doesn't have the build, speed, or arm. It's not a smart comparison. I also have concerns over Tua's health or better stated remaining healthy behind the oline that has some concerns. He has some injury history.

I have some concerns for the team as a whole as well. We beat one team with a better than 500 record, that was the Rams and that was far from a conventional victory. On the flip side, we beat those teams later in the season that they should have, except for the Broncos, where we laid an egg. Our D creates turnovers and is a very good defense. The run D was a concern, but I feel we made moves to improve by bringing in better (possibly/hopefully)players. We have a great secondary, but like probably every other team, could use depths. Iggy was a poor draft pick for a 1st rounder and I Dont see him lasting in the NFL. If X or Jones are injured, we may have a long stretch, which ofcourse applies for any team with key players at key positions.

We still have numerous vital holes and questions at several spots on this team.

While a life long dolphins fan, I am not thinking playoffs this season. As mentioned, the concerns at oline, run D, rb and qb are glaring to me. I'm not the glass half full or half empty type, more of 4 ounces of water in an 8 ounce glass type. I can see us being competitive in most every game and perhaps sneak up on an opponent or 2. The afc is stacked. My prediction for wins is from 7 to 9 for the season. Either way, I'll be watching, cheering, cussing and screaming at my tv for the Fins for the next 17 of 18 weeks.
 
Thanks.



So how many people are grading each throw? Does it have year to year consistency?

SIS rates his accuracy very low:



How is the accuracy rating you mentioned superior?

I'm not sure how many people are grading each throw. I'm sure you can find that information on the link provided. Why would year to year consistency be relevant when he's played one year?

What makes SIS rates superior? Mine has a pretty complete break down. Yours is a single chart with no supporting data or explanation...
 
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I'm not sure how many people are grading each throw. I'm sure you can find that information on the link provided. Why would year to year consistency be relevant when he's played one year?

What makes SIS rates superior? At least this shows you how 'stat's and data can be manipulated to show what you want it to show.
Well year to year consistency would be relevant in terms of judging the statistic itself. If one year it says Tom Brady is very accurate and then they next year it says he's very inaccurate. I wouldn't trust the stat.

I'm not saying SIS rates are superior (although it's a significantly larger company w/ more resources), although I'm not the one making the claim Tua has elite accuracy.
 
Thanks.



So how many people are grading each throw? Does it have year to year consistency?

SIS rates his accuracy very low:



How is the accuracy rating you mentioned superior?


Im surprised at Tua's short distance accuracy being rated like this. Or is it just me ?
 
Well year to year consistency would be relevant in terms of judging the statistic itself. If one year it says Tom Brady is very accurate and then they next year it says he's very inaccurate. I wouldn't trust the stat.

I'm not saying SIS rates are superior (although it's a significantly larger company w/ more resources), although I'm not the one making the claim Tua has elite accuracy.
I'm sure you can dig through their data to find out.

Well with all those resources, I don't see a very good break down of where those percentages come from, so...
 
There would probably be less Tua doubt if the organization were more emphatic about putting the Deshaun Watson rumors to bed. Like, I think even before the legal issues I think Watson is overrated because he creates too many sacks by holding onto the ball and running in circles in the pocket trying to make a big play, but I understood why the Dolphins would have at least discussed a few things in the offseason. But once camp came around and Tua took command, its time to put that crap to bed. The latest rumors probably more than anything were floated by the Texans themselves in a last ditch bid to get a good trade offer from someone, but the Dolphins could have done more than they did in response. This is where that Patriot's style always keeping things close to the vest and not saying too much thing works against us.
 
Ok… then explain how our offensive TOP, 3rd and 4th down efficiency and PPG were best in 20 seasons? If you have facts I’m happy to debate.
Fins were 27th in the league in 3rd down effeciency... They were 2nd on 4th % but thats on 8 total plays, not sure how this is an argument for/against a OC... I mean its nice and all but pretty marginal... Fins were 17th in TOP so not sure what argument you're trying to make.

Fins were 15th in PPG but its kind of a low hanging fruit when your team was top 5 in takeaways...

I mean sure he had to deal with a shitty roster but lets not act like he killed it out there... I'd say the last 4-5 games he was predictable as **** and every other passing play was a scripted play with no reads involved.

Either way, are you sure the Fins never finished better than 27th in 3rd%, 17th in TOP and 15th in PPG in the last 20 years? Not that it matters because really, there no point in comparing these things to previous regimes who also failed...
 
There would probably be less Tua doubt if the organization were more emphatic about putting the Deshaun Watson rumors to bed. Like, I think even before the legal issues I think Watson is overrated because he creates too many sacks by holding onto the ball and running in circles in the pocket trying to make a big play, but I understood why the Dolphins would have at least discussed a few things in the offseason. But once camp came around and Tua took command, its time to put that crap to bed. The latest rumors probably more than anything were floated by the Texans themselves in a last ditch bid to get a good trade offer from someone, but the Dolphins could have done more than they did in response. This is where that Patriot's style always keeping things close to the vest and not saying too much thing works against us.
Disagree. They've been clear. Not sure why you think otherwise.
 
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