Is Channing Crowder a Rick Speilman prospect?

[painnotpleasure]

Why does it matter even if Channing Crowder is a Rick Spielman prospect? I only care about how Crowder can perform regardless of who scouted him. As long as Spielman's not giving away 2nd round picks for 3rd string QB's, it doesn't matter to me. If Saban disagrees with him or thinks differently he's going to do what he thinks is best for the team, not Spielman. Besides the guy obviously has to be professionally qualified if he's a GM, we've seen his blunders, if he did scout Crowder maybe he's a real winner. I'm not going be fickle like some people and all of sudden be against Crowder because Spielman supposedly scouted him. The man has some good moves and he has some bad moves. It's a hit or miss situation. One thing I'm pretty sure of, whether Saban was interested or not he didn't count on getting Crowder in the 3rd. I haven't heard one person or draft analyst prior to the draft mention us getting Crowder or saying Crowder would fall to the 3rd. I'm thinking Saban got him because he was literally the best player available and obviously thought he'd be a great fit to our team and our linebacking core. I personally think it was a good pick.

 

[Dubfire]

There are some people who DO give a damn whether this was Rick's choice or not?

I'm not one of them but, who the he// are you to say what we should and shouldn't be talking about??

Houck was able to choose Alabi..So.....Is it out of the realm of possibility that this is the guy that Rick was allowed to choose? No it's not.

If you don't want to discuss it, you didn't "have to weigh in".

Yeah thats the beauty of this board. We can all talk about what we want. My message was not directed at you. I'm on the same side of the fence as you are. It was aimed at those that DO care. The way I see it, we all win, because we got a player who will make in impact the moment he earns considerable playing time.

 

[BlueFin]

I think I read somewhere that Saban allowed those around him to make a single recomendation of a specifc player...

I know Houck wanted Alabi.

This could have been the player that Rick wanted.

As we know, Crowder wasn't Saban's first choice in the third round....he wanted Webster.

I'm sure you didn't mean too, but surely you know it was the second rounder he wanted to draft Webster with and took Roth when Webster was gone.

 

[inFINSible]

I'm sure you didn't mean too, but surely you know it was the second rounder he wanted to draft Webster with and took Roth when Webster was gone.

ooops....you're right....my badly.

 

[Dubfire]

inFINsible, who is that in your sig? Looks like Ron White and if it is, he's not dead is he?

 

[nando03]

I think I read somewhere that Saban allowed those around him to make a single recomendation of a specifc player...

I know Houck wanted Alabi.

This could have been the player that Rick wanted.

As we know, Crowder wasn't Saban's first choice in the third round....he wanted Webster.

Great point! I agree with that and the fact that you think Spielman is a good talent evaluator. I think so as well. I also think that with what Spielman had to work with last year for the draft he did pretty well. We picked up some key guys and fan favorites last year. I dunno who Rick's pick was but any of them other then Vickerson was a good pick by Rick. Cause we all know it wasn't Daniels or Alabi. I'm sure the #2 pick was Saban's choice. That really only leaves Roth and Crowder. If either one of those two were Rick's picks I'm happy with his pick. I'm sure Saban liked the choice as well. Bottom line is Rick has always been a good talent evaluator and Wanny has always been there to screw it up. Wanny is/was a moran and its likely Saban will keep Rick around if he's happy with how they were able to work together.

 

[inFINSible]

Yeah thats the beauty of this board. We can all talk about what we want. My message was not directed at you. I'm on the same side of the fence as you are. It was aimed at those that DO care. The way I see it, we all win, because we got a player who will make in impact the moment he earns considerable playing time.

Sorry, I get crap from all angles sometimes....It makes me a little jumpy...

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[JTech194]

Doesn"t Even Matter! Saban Picked Him. And I"m Sure He Could Have Made That Decision All By Himself And Didn"t Need Spoilman For Anything. STOP REACHING! SPoilman isn't worth a dam thing.:shakeno:

people like you give spielman a bad rap. he is a excellent talent evaluator. Randy mcmicheal, sam madison jason taylor zach thomas, patrick sertain. All players drafted in mid to later rounds. How many GM's can you say got the best players on thier teams in rounds other than the first. Yea some mistakes were made with early round picks but it happens. What I don't think he is good at is negotiation tactics. If he is strictly assigned to scouting talent and saban does the negotiating then I'm cool with that.

 

[Agua]

The way this stuff probably worked was the scouts set up their value charts, the coaches and Saban review it, collaborate with scouting for clarification, make adjustments to the board, and go into the draft with a single chart that they have a consensus on.

Saban looks at his chart as to who's available and if it comes down to a few who are close on value, he chose the guys he was familiar with even if there were others rated similarly. I don't think he needed Rick's reccommendation at the point where they're on the clock, unless it was to confirm what he thought about the character or health matters because he already knew how the guy played.

I've been, and remain, one of the few folks on here that think Spielman has done about as good a job as one could hope, in light of the mandate he was given to "win now" [straight from Wayne H. at the Dan PC], and the circumstances existing at the time each individual personnel decision was made. But I just don't think Saban needed Rick's recommendation, apart from any scouting work up, to pick a player he already knew of.

 

[inFINSible]

inFINsible, who is that in your sig? Looks like Ron White and if it is, he's not dead is he?

No...MarPel is a friend of mine....

I like to move Ron back and forth across my sig every now and then....and when he gets in the middle it looks like a memorial to him...I've had somebody ask me the same thing once or twice already....

 

[Dubfire]

No...MarPel is a friend of mine....

I like to move Ron back and forth across my sig every now and then....and when he gets in the middle it looks like a memorial to him...I've had somebody ask me the same thing once or twice already....

Maybe you should put a disclaimer on there. Here I was getting all sad thinking Tater Salad was dead!!!

 

[inFINSible]

The way this stuff probably worked was the scouts set up their value charts, the coaches and Saban review it, collaborate with scouting for clarification, make adjustments to the board, and go into the draft with a single chart that they have a consensus on.

Saban looks at his chart as to who's available and if it comes down to a few who are close on value, he chose the guys he was familiar with even if there were others rated similarly. I don't think he needed Rick's reccommendation at the point where they're on the clock, unless it was to confirm what he thought about the character or health matters because he already knew how the guy played.

I've been, and remain, one of the few folks on here that think Spielman has done about as good a job as one could hope, in light of the mandate he was given to "win now" [straight from Wayne H. at the Dan PC], and the circumstances existing at the time each individual personnel decision was made. But I just don't think Saban needed Rick's recommendation, apart from any scouting work up, to pick a player he already knew of.

Excellent post. Very reasonable....Sounds like you think that everyone was involved in every pick then, correct?

 

[Dubfire]

Excellent post. Very reasonable....Sounds like you think that everyone was involved in every pick then, correct?

He thinks like I think. It is a collaborative decision for the most part. However when there is not a consensus among the decision makers, the choice will come down to the head person in charge. Saban makes those calls now. 95% of the work is doen before the draft with the charts and all. Come draft day, I'd liek to think one person is steering the ship. Happy that it's Saban now.

 

[BlueFin]

Great point! I agree with that and the fact that you think Spielman is a good talent evaluator. I think so as well. I also think that with what Spielman had to work with last year for the draft he did pretty well. We picked up some key guys and fan favorites last year. I dunno who Rick's pick was but any of them other then Vickerson was a good pick by Rick. Cause we all know it wasn't Daniels or Alabi. I'm sure the #2 pick was Saban's choice. That really only leaves Roth and Crowder. If either one of those two were Rick's picks I'm happy with his pick. I'm sure Saban liked the choice as well. Bottom line is Rick has always been a good talent evaluator and Wanny has always been there to screw it up. Wanny is/was a moran and its likely Saban will keep Rick around if he's happy with how they were able to work together.

I don't agree, the first four picks were all Saban players, they all had some connection to Saban, I think he and he alone made those selections.

As far as last years draft, I don't think Saban would have selected Carey where Spielman did, if at all, he was not a value pick where we took him, there were higher rated players on the board than Carey.

The Will Poole pick was a lot like the Crowder pick this year, a very good player that slipped, as far as the rest of last years draft I hardly think we can label any of it a success yet, other than special teams I doubt we got any future starters out of it.

Rick Spielman has proven nothing to me as a talent evaluator, it was him that thought enough of the talent of AJ Feeley and Lamar Gordon to give up the 35th pick and 64th pick, clearly as prospects they were not worth that value.

Some of you want to defend his poor decisions of the last five years, it really doesn't matter because I suspect he won't be here much longer, and that will speak volumes.

 

[inFINSible]

He thinks like I think. It is a collaborative decision for the most part. However when there is not a consensus among the decision makers, the choice will come down to the head person in charge. Saban makes those calls now. 95% of the work is doen before the draft with the charts and all. Come draft day, I'd liek to think one person is steering the ship. Happy that it's Saban now.

I like that thinking because it means that everyone involved should be considered a success if everyone thinks that this draft is a good one, and that includes Rick Speilman.