Just watched the game DON'T UNDERSTAND the frustration with Tannehill

[maralieus]

Yeah I thought he looked sharp, maybe a little bit passive but I think that was playcalling. They likely don't really want a big play in preseason, all it does is take away a bunch of offensive reps. The pick was bad, but he didn't have a bad idea, he just somehow didn't realize the cb had turned towards him I guess. Hartline had a window and was gonna be real close to a score if the corner hadn't spotted it so early.

But yes I do realize that RT telegraphed that one horribly, but I'm chalking it up to preseason. It's not taken that seriously, they may have talked before the game about how Hartline wanted a TD and Ryan tried to force it, something that isn't likely to go on when **** really counts. I love that Hartline got so much attention though, 3 defenders?? Wow, if teams keep giving him more than one defender then Clay and the others are gonna have huge years! Speaking of Clay... I can't wait to watch Clay truck Revis. I would set up play after play where Clay beats a LB to the middle and catches a quick slant heading straight towards Revis. Seriously, make that little ****er work, run him down the field over and over with Wallace, then send Clay and Hoskins at him on the other plays.

 

[Zounds]

he even stares at it so much that the drop lb on that side wilbur almost can get over there...it becomes a ball thrown into triple coverage cause the eye discipline was not there...

the lb wilbur doesnt drop that deep if he doesnt eye bang it so much either

Yep, after watching that play again I did see Tannehill lead the will out to the perimeter. When I watched the game last night on my laptop on a flight it looked like the OLB undercut Hartline by design, but watching it again I can see Tannehill leads him to the play.

 

[tay0365]

I just cant wait to play with a full deck every week with no 2nd/3rd stringers involved on a reg. basis.

One really bad play can make you suck in a hurry.

One miss on long ball just sets off media on a mission to actually have something to write about.

just have visions of Wallace, Gibson, Hartline, Mathews, and Landry forcing teams to cover with limited CB ablility.

Add Knowshawn with competent Oline and you have more consistency. Just get rid of the blankie Ryan!

I agree with this, even though I am a big supporter of Hartline, Tannehill needs to remember that he has a very deep Receiving squad, and the mission this season is not to get Hartline a 3rd straight 1000 yard season, but to win each game put in front of them, in hope that Miami can actually win enough to reach the playoffs, and maybe do it while winning the AFC East again since 2008.

Tannehill when in the redzone, maybe look for Clay, Landry, Gibson, Wallace, any other TE, Mathews, or One of the RBs, before Hartline....the redzone is not where Hartline make his money, so don't force it.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

It's easy to be negative about a QB....the odds are you are going to be right as most don't make it an even more fail to reach elite level.

That's a very good point. I always keep it in mind. I know the likelihood. That's why I'm never going to start a thread about low YPA or low point production or anything similar. There's too much of a built in advantage. But it works both ways. The adjusters who are overly confident in Tannehill don't seem to grasp your point at all. It's an ongoing frustration, at least for me. I don't know how many times I've seen a projection that is 20% likely -- absolute tops -- and I start a post before canceling it. Why bother? The 10-20% category will win out again tomorrow, just like that season win estimation when last I checked the 10-6 bracket was the plurality leader.

IMO, as I've stated many times including before that draft, the Tannehill background makes him unlikely to fully pan out. You shouldn't have to invest the 8th pick for someone with that resume. Early excellence is one of the great hints toward future success, even if there are struggles or unfair scrutiny in midstream. I just want us to do the right thing when so much is at stake in the early rounds. Don't be a 40 percenter.

One of the reasons TedSlimm is so effective in personnel analysis is he catches these guys early and is well aware of their background. He's hardly cramming in the late going based on a handful of outings. Just the opposite. He's actually bored with these guys as seniors because he's already slotted them as sophomores and juniors. It's the same astute approach I noted with the 16 year old scout from Cincinnati. He'd post an incredibly detailed scouting report before the senior season and feel no need to update. With Jeff Ireland there was always the unmistakeable impression that he was making up his mind in the final days. I mean, why was that famous dinner with Steve Ross even necessary? The owner should have known months earlier, not days before the draft, that Dion Jordan was the guy who Ireland and the scouts salivated over. The problem, of course, was that Ireland himself undoubtedly didn't covet Jordan months before the draft. He watched some tape and talked himself into it in the late going. You aren't guaranteed to fail with that approach but it's all but certain that many of your peers with a superior method will be well ahead and stay there.

 

[Vaark]

This !!!!
He's ok so far. Don't know if there has ever been a converted QB THAT HAS BEEN LIGHTS OUT...MAYBE SO

Nonetheless WE expect OUR qb TO score POINTS...HE HAS NOT PROVEN TO DO THAT CONSISTENTLY....aka "PLAYMAKER"
Until he can finish drives in a consistent fashion that produces points AND at least occasionally BE THE MAN on a difference making drive then ....meh he's ok.

Actually Rivals ranked him nationally as the 22nd HS QB in his senior year. (compare that to everyone's current sweetheart Bortles who they ranked #46).

So if anything he was a converted receiver before defaulting back to his natural QB position.

 

[nyashfan]

The problem with Tannehill is the absence of big plays rather than the presence of bad plays. Both Andrew Luck and Andy Dalton make their share of bad plays. But they tend to rebound with game winning plays. The result is that Luck has led his team to back to back 11-5 records and Dalton has led his team to 3 straight playoff appearances.

The bottom line is that Tannehill led the starting offense to 3 points. It's not his interception that's the concern. Matt Moore threw a pick six yet came back to win the game. Until Tannehill takes the next step and leads the Dolphins to the playoffs, the concerns are valid and will be magnified. There are really no excuses this year: what the 3rd preseason game showed was that the OL is much improved, the RB position is deep, and the WR position is deep. He has plenty of talent around him to succeed.

 

[Spiff]

Don't know if it's been posted already and I'm fully aware that what happens in the preseason is not always an indicator for what happens in the regular season. Nevertheless we had 490 yards of total offense against Dallas and regardless if it's preseason or not I still think that's quite an accomplishment. So I went back in time to see how big of an accomplishment that really is. I looked at all the preseason games we had since 2003 (ESPN.com wouldn't have stats for preseason games earlier than that) and we had never gained more yards in a preseason game than in the game against Dallas last week.

We know Dallas has a pretty weak defense but we've played other weak defenses before and were never able to gain the yards total we had last week. I know we did not score a lot of points but still, if we can have that many yards (or close to it) on a regular basis, the points will come. Just saying that I'm pretty positive about this offense and the 2014 season as a whole.

 

[mwestberry]

Actually Rivals ranked him nationally as the 22nd HS QB in his senior year. (compare that to everyone's current sweetheart Bortles who they ranked #46).

So if anything he was a converted receiver before defaulting back to his natural QB position.

So you decided to debate the point on what position he converted from/to? Ok...you win
Whatever the case may be Thill has not proven himself to be a consistent winner in this league as of yet. He may be the best we have had under center since Dan but if you can't show the playmaking abilities needed at your position then you are just an average guy.

We don't have a consistent playmaker on our team, nobody that "wows" you. We average 20-22 points per game and give up 24-25....those numbers will give you 6-8 wins and a middle of the pack draft spot year in and year out. Treading water..hoping...waiting....frustrating. We need someone to step up and identify who we want to be, leadership, swagger. Thill does not show those traits yet.

 

[Dolphin North]

Average 4th quarter passer rating: 79.6
Ryan Tannehill: 64.6

But apparently if you notice that, you are a hater who lives in his parents' basement. And haven't you heard that passer rating means nothing? I learned so much in this thread.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

So you decided to debate the point on what position he converted from/to? Ok...you win
Whatever the case may be Thill has not proven himself to be a consistent winner in this league as of yet. He may be the best we have had under center since Dan but if you can't show the playmaking abilities needed at your position then you are just an average guy.

We don't have a consistent playmaker on our team, nobody that "wows" you. We average 20-22 points per game and give up 24-25....those numbers will give you 6-8 wins and a middle of the pack draft spot year in and year out. Treading water..hoping...waiting....frustrating. We need someone to step up and identify who we want to be, leadership, swagger. Thill does not show those traits yet.

In the last 5 seasons, 14 teams have given up 50 or more sacks. The Dolphins' total of 58 is the highest. The average number of wins by those teams is 6.5. Only 4 teams had more than 8 wins. Those teams were:

2012 Packers (11), 2010 Bears (11), 2009 Packers (11), 2009 Steelers (9).

A few key points:

1. Rodgers is considered by some to be the best QB in the league. He has two of those seasons.
2. The Bears in 2011 only scored 1 point per game more than the Dolphins and Cutler's numbers on the season were very close to Tannehill's. That team was driven by defense. They only allowed 286 points.
3. The Steelers missed the playoffs in 2009. In 2008 and 2010 they went to the SB (won it in 2008). IMO, a SB quality team was done in by SACKS.
4. The Packers, Bears, and Steelers all ran the ball better than the Dolphins.

If you eliminate the outliers of the two Packers seasons and the Bears season, the average number of wins is 5.3.

Of the young QBs that played on those teams, Tannehill was by far the best performer. In 2011, Sam Bradford had a QB rating of 70 and didn't finish the season. John Skelton had a QB rating of 69 in 2011 and 55 in 2012. In 2010, Jimmy Clausen had a QB rating of 58 and Matt Moore had a QB rating of 56.

At this point we can conclude that Tannehill is not as good in his 2nd season as Rodgers was in his 5th or 8th seasons, or as good as Roethlisberger was in his 6th season. Big deal.

Of all those QBs, Tannehill had the worst pass blocking. Of the teams that had records of 8-8 or better, Miami had the fewest rushing yards.

I simply cannot understand how fans can put the majority of the blame on Tannehill.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

Average 4th quarter passer rating: 79.6
Ryan Tannehill: 64.6

What is the average 4th quarter QB rating for 2nd year QBs playing from behind with no running game and crappy pass blocking? I'll go out on a limb and say that it is less than 64.6.

 

[Spiff]

In the last 5 seasons, 14 teams have given up 50 or more sacks. The Dolphins' total of 58 is the highest. The average number of wins by those teams is 6.5. Only 4 teams had more than 8 wins. Those teams were: 2012 Packers (11), 2010 Bears (11), 2009 Packers (11), 2009 Steelers (9). A few key points: 1. Rodgers is considered by some to be the best QB in the league. He has two of those seasons. 2. The Bears in 2011 only scored 1 point per game more than the Dolphins and Cutler's numbers on the season were very close to Tannehill's. That team was driven by defense. They only allowed 286 points. 3. The Steelers missed the playoffs in 2009. In 2008 and 2010 they went to the SB (won it in 2008). IMO, a SB quality team was done in by SACKS. 4. The Packers, Bears, and Steelers all ran the ball better than the Dolphins. If you eliminate the outliers of the two Packers seasons and the Bears season, the average number of wins is 5.3. Of the young QBs that played on those teams, Tannehill was by far the best performer. In 2011, Sam Bradford had a QB rating of 70 and didn't finish the season. John Skelton had a QB rating of 69 in 2011 and 55 in 2012. In 2010, Jimmy Clausen had a QB rating of 58 and Matt Moore had a QB rating of 56. At this point we can conclude that Tannehill is not as good in his 2nd season as Rodgers was in his 5th or 8th seasons, or as good as Roethlisberger was in his 6th season. Big deal. Of all those QBs, Tannehill had the worst pass blocking. Of the teams that had records of 8-8 or better, Miami had the fewest rushing yards. I simply cannot understand how fans can put the majority of the blame on Tannehill.

Awesome. That's some nice insight.

 

[Vaark]

So you decided to debate the point on what position he converted from/to? Ok...you win
Whatever the case may be Thill has not proven himself to be a consistent winner in this league as of yet. He may be the best we have had under center since Dan but if you can't show the playmaking abilities needed at your position then you are just an average guy.

We don't have a consistent playmaker on our team, nobody that "wows" you. We average 20-22 points per game and give up 24-25....those numbers will give you 6-8 wins and a middle of the pack draft spot year in and year out. Treading water..hoping...waiting....frustrating. We need someone to step up and identify who we want to be, leadership, swagger. Thill does not show those traits yet.

Correction: I did not "decide' to "debate" anything..merely to factually correct an assumption sometimes used to suggest that the QB is a fish out of water. And hopefully take it off the table going forward.. It was a statement of fact that's not refutable.

If you wish to "debate" Tannehill's relative abilities, fine, but if you're suggesting that he's a recycled wide end (which incidentally he did very well) instead of his natural position going back to high school being that of quarterback, consider yourself corrected. Hopefully going forward, as a result you won't resort to using that fallacy as ammunition. Incorrectly citing that can only diminish and impugn the perceived objectivity and credibility of what you may be contending. You're welcome.

 

[NJ Dolphan]

You can look at all the tape and examine individual plays for flashes of brilliance all you want, the fact remains that last season he crapped the bed in must-win/should-win games. And a lot of the wins were due to the defense, not him. He has not shown that, at least on a consistent basis, he can be a difference maker. Yes, he's only entering his third year, but there can be no more excuses. A lot of effort has been made to upgrade the offensive line, he has a hotshot offensive coordinator and a proven running back. If he loses three out of four against Buffalo and the Jets and can't win at least three of the games against Detroit, Minnesota, Jacksonville or Oakland, it's a safe bet that Dolphin futility will continue for at least another three years.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

You can look at all the tape and examine individual plays for flashes of brilliance all you want, the fact remains that last season he crapped the bed in must-win/should-win games. And a lot of the wins were due to the defense, not him. He has not shown that, at least on a consistent basis, he can be a difference maker. Yes, he's only entering his third year, but there can be no more excuses. A lot of effort has been made to upgrade the offensive line, he has a hotshot offensive coordinator and a proven running back. If he loses three out of four against Buffalo and the Jets and can't win at least three of the games against Detroit, Minnesota, Jacksonville or Oakland, it's a safe bet that Dolphin futility will continue for at least another three years.

So, ignore the facts and blame the QB.

For the millionth time.... THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY EXCUSES