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Letting Landry walk could be like losing Welker

Welker Juice comparisons are actually pretty interesting to me.

Juice’s 1st year and Welker’s 3rd were very close in receiving production.

Welker not given much in passing game first 2 seasons but still managed (3) 2000 all purpose yard seasons. Something few have done. Landry record setting in quantity of catches thru 4 years.

Nobody valued Welker much before he left Miami because he didn’t actually score the TD’s. But he was a huge part of our scoring by moving the ball between the 20’s. He was a critical part of a 1/3 of our points whether it be a return to setup a short field or a key 3rd down conversion on scoring drive. The fact that we didn’t have a decisive enough QB at the time to take advantage of the option route at the goal line wasn’t Welker’s fault. Bellicheck saw this and knew Brady could use him as a scoring weapon along with moving the chains. Landry was seen in this similar light until this year when he scored 9 TD’s. Welker also had 9 TD’s when he bacame the primary target of Brady.

Welker actually changed the game. The option route to the slot became an easy way to move the chains in a league with rules favoring the pass. The Patriots became the highest scoring team in the league while Welker was controlling the game. When he left to go to Denver the Patriots scoring dropped back down under the 30’s. Manning used him in Denver to have the highest scoring offense ever. We never had the QB to take advantage of him. Shame. He improved both Patriots and Denver in scoring. Our scoring didn’t change much when he left but our record went downhill to 1-15.

Now onto running offense thru the slot and success. Welker was targeted by Brady pretty much like Landry has been here in Miami. The Patriots have been successful targeting a receiver 160 times. They never won the Super Bowl with this combo but it was very successful. It can be done. It surely isn’t a reason to get rid of Landry.

Final statistical comparison is actually very close

Welker 11 seasons receiving

115 targets per season
82 receptions per season
57 yards per game
11 yards per reception
1 TD every 25 targets

Landry 4 seasons receiving

142 targets per season
100 receptions per season
63 yards per game
10.1 yards per reception
1 TD every 26 targets
 
Welker Juice comparisons are actually pretty interesting to me.

Juice’s 1st year and Welker’s 3rd were very close in receiving production.

Welker not given much in passing game first 2 seasons but still managed (3) 2000 all purpose yard seasons. Something few have done. Landry record setting in quantity of catches thru 4 years.

Nobody valued Welker much before he left Miami because he didn’t actually score the TD’s. But he was a huge part of our scoring by moving the ball between the 20’s. He was a critical part of a 1/3 of our points whether it be a return to setup a short field or a key 3rd down conversion on scoring drive. The fact that we didn’t have a decisive enough QB at the time to take advantage of the option route at the goal line wasn’t Welker’s fault. Bellicheck saw this and knew Brady could use him as a scoring weapon along with moving the chains. Landry was seen in this similar light until this year when he scored 9 TD’s. Welker also had 9 TD’s when he bacame the primary target of Brady.

Welker actually changed the game. The option route to the slot became an easy way to move the chains in a league with rules favoring the pass. The Patriots became the highest scoring team in the league while Welker was controlling the game. When he left to go to Denver the Patriots scoring dropped back down under the 30’s. Manning used him in Denver to have the highest scoring offense ever. We never had the QB to take advantage of him. Shame. He improved both Patriots and Denver in scoring. Our scoring didn’t change much when he left but our record went downhill to 1-15.

Now onto running offense thru the slot and success. Welker was targeted by Brady pretty much like Landry has been here in Miami. The Patriots have been successful targeting a receiver 160 times. They never won the Super Bowl with this combo but it was very successful. It can be done. It surely isn’t a reason to get rid of Landry.

Final statistical comparison is actually very close

Welker 11 seasons receiving

115 targets per season
82 receptions per season
57 yards per game
11 yards per reception
1 TD every 25 targets

Landry 4 seasons receiving

142 targets per season
100 receptions per season
63 yards per game
10.1 yards per reception
1 TD every 26 targets
Was Welker ever in the top 5 paid WRs?
 
No, Welker got stolen by NE for around 4 million a year. 5 for $18M. Then they franchised him for one year at $9.5M before letting him go to Denver. At the time of Welker’s contract the top receiver contracts were around $10M per year. When they franchised him it was more around $13M. Then he took pay cut to go to Denver. So no he was never paid like top 5
 
Welker was very good when he was a Dolphin. I was actually shocked when they let him go. And what did they get for Welker? Samson Satele....haha, pathetic...

Was it Welker's 1 receiving td in 46 games as a Dolphin that was very good?

Was it his 24 yards per game receiving in those 3 seasons that you thought were very good?

Was it his 2 receptions per game over those 3 season that were very good?

If you were shocked over getting rid of Welker
good luck with losing Landry
 
Welker was in a long line of seldom-used slot receivers at the time, like Jeff Ogden, and IIRC, while we'd used him a bit, it wasn't the biggest loss. The Patriots just figured out how to really use him and took advantage of his skill set, while we went out and drafted Ted Ginn and his family plus Oatmeal Brains Trent Green.

It's reasons like this why the Patriots are the Patriots and we continue to do the 6-10/7-9 shuffle every year.
 
Dolphins got back a 2 and a 7 for Welker, a haul I'm sure they'd take back for Landry in a second

Yeah I'm sure they would too. Then they would proceed to waste the picks on more floundering players. The point is that it doesn't matter how many picks the Dolphins get, they'll always blow them. There is no plan to succeed.
 
Was it Welker's 1 receiving td in 46 games as a Dolphin that was very good?

Was it his 24 yards per game receiving in those 3 seasons that you thought were very good?

Was it his 2 receptions per game over those 3 season that were very good?

If you were shocked over getting rid of Welker
good luck with losing Landry

At the time, he was a great return specialist, one of the only exciting players we had. I don't just look at the stats.
 
At the time, he was a great return specialist, one of the only exciting players we had. I don't just look at the stats.

You do realize in those 46 games Welker had 1 return td
and ZERO punt return tds...GREAT RETURN SPECIALIST

293 RETURNS WITH 1 TD
He needed a GPS device surgically implanted
up his backside to find the endzone
 
At the time, he was a great return specialist, one of the only exciting players we had. I don't just look at the stats.

His average on kick returns was worse the Grants...so if he was a great return specialist then we better not let a Grant get away.
 
Somebody brough up Danny Amendola in another Landry thread as a reason why to keep Landry and I said that is exactly why you don't keep him for that price. Danny made 3m last season and is a free agent this year........hell let's double it and bring him down for the slot and we are still 8m to the good!

Amendola won’t be nearly as successful without Brady.
 
When we were about to lose Welker I posted a similar thread over a decade ago. He was one of my favorite players at the time and I saw greatness despite his lack of scoring production. His returns rarely went all the way but usually provided good field position and more importantly a spark for the offense. His last year I looked at every Dolphin possession and he was a key in over a 1/3 of the teams scoring by making key plays. Welker went on to score 49 more TD’s not with the Dolphins. If you look at 3rd down conversion rate for each team before, during and after Welker over the span of his career you wouldn’t doubt his impact on the game. His conversions allowed Brady extra chances to throw it up to Moss and almost complete a perfect season. His extra chances allowed Peyton to score the most points ever with extra chances to DT.
 
I don't understand this fear of players going to the Patriots. What's the worse that's going to happen? They go back to the SB? They've been to the SB 8 times with a lot of no name players on previous teams. You don't overspend because you fear him going to another team in your division.
 
Gotcha Reception...How could i forget that one...Well that does it! $20M a year.
Not saying $20mil. But catches and TDs and the fact he was 2nd NFL in YAC - I feel the narrative being told is not balanced.
 
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