Ray R
Club Member
No. There is no rolling the dice and winging it.
After carefully reading and analyzing your response I have been able to successfully conclude that you are:
RONG!!!
No. There is no rolling the dice and winging it.
That's not what rather be lucky than good means, Largo. And you know that.
After carefully reading and analyzing your response I have been able to successfully conclude that you are:
RONG!!!
Excellent post Largo.This guy!?
We only care about rookie contract, first four years. We do not care about their careers and HoF. We only care about whether they can take us to the championship game and help us win, on a rookie contract.
6-3 and over quarterbacks have appeared significantly more times in a championship game than 6-2 and smaller quarterbacks. More importantly, there have been significantly more 6-3 and over quarterbacks who appeared in a championship game on a rookie contract, which is the only thing we care about since they are only getting a rookie contract. They are not getting a HoF contract or a 15 year contract.
CHAMPIONSHIP HISTORY
In the last 15 years, there have been 60 championship game quarterbacks (AFC and NFC).
Of those 60 appearances:
7/60 have been under 6-2: (5 different QBs)
2004 Michael Vick
2006 Drew Brees
2006 Rex Grossman
2009 Drew Brees
2013 Russ Wilson
2014 Russ Wilson
2017 Case Keenum
13/60 were 6-2: (8 different QBs)
2004 Donovan McNabb
2005 Jake Delhomme
2005 Jake Plummer
2007 Brett Favre
2008 Donovan McNabb
2008 Kurt Warner
2009 Brett Favre
2009 Mark Sanchez
2010 Mark Sanchez
2010 Aaron Rodgers
2014 Aaron Rodgers
2016 Aaron Rodgers
2018 Patrick Mahomes
The rest, 40/60 appearances were with QBs 6-3 and over. (17 diiferent quarterbacks)
Payton Manning
Tom Brady
Ben Roethlisberger
Matt Hasselbeck
Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Joe Flacco
Jay Cutler
Alex Smith
Matt Ryan
Colin Kapernick
Andrew Luck
Cam Newton
Carson Palmer
Blake Bortles
Nick Foles
Jared Goff
Seventeen is more than thirteen and forty is significantly more than twenty appearances.
ROOKIE CONTRACTS (First four seasons)
Of the 30 quarterbacks who appeared in a championship game in last 15 years, 5/13 who were 6-2 and smaller did that on a rookie contract: Mike Vick, Rex Grossman, Russell Wilson, Mark Sanchez, Pat Mahomes.
2/5 (2/13, 2/30) went to the SB in first four years: Rex Grossman, Russell Wilson
1/5 (1/13, 1/30) won the SB in first four years: Russell Wilson.
Of the 30 quarterbacks who appeared in a championship game in last 15 years, 8/17 who were 6-3 and taller did that on a rookie contract, and they are all bolded above.
5/8 (5/17, 5/30) went to the SB in first four years: Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco, Colin Kapernick, Jared Goff.
2/8 (2/17, 2/30) won the SB in first four years: Ben and Eli.
SUMMARY
Quarterbacks who are 6-3 and taller appeared in championship game 40 times in 60 opportunities. There were 17 of those quarterbacks, and of those 17 quarterbacks 8 did it on a rookie contract. Five of those eight quarterbacks went on to play in a superbowl on a rookie contract, and two of those won the superbowl.
Quarterbacks who are 6-3 and taller have 100% better success rate (twice as good) in last 15 years of playing in and winning championship games on a rookie contract.
What does it mean then? Lucky means gambling, rolling the dice.
Have you ever played sports? Been on a team? How do you know who is the best, who is better, how do the coaches know who to play? Do they spread the beans on a table, draw straws, roll the dice, and see who is lucky?
That doesn't help your argument. You know who the best is by what you see on the field. This would take all of the juice out of the measurements debate..
Dude, if only comparing the other QBs he mentioned please tell me you loved Thill. Lol
Have you ever played sports? Been on a team? How do you know who is the best, who is better, how do the coaches know who to play? Do they spread the beans on a table, draw straws, roll the dice, and see who is lucky?
Is he also an NFL QB?