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Ray Farmer, Browns new GM

John Wooten, the FPA guy and presumably the one whispering in Farmer's ear, spent essentially his entire career in Cleveland.

I think it is safe to presume he was angling Farmer to stay in Cleveland from the get go.

Actually he was encouraging him to go to the 2nd interview with any question he may have for Ross. I do think that this is probably why he didn't take the 2nd interview.
 
The fact that both the hc and gm report to the owner and the media doesnt care deeply amuses me

You noticed that too, huh? Unbelievable. The Cleveland structure is now being compared to the Steelers. Why wasn't the Fins structure compared to the Steelers instead of being ridiculed for being dysfunctional, unusual and more or less a joke. From what I'm reading...same structure. GM & coach have a straight reporting line to owner...GM has final say on 53 man roster; coach has final say on the 46 on game day.
 
The reason Farmer turned down the Dolphins is because Ross only offered him a 2 year deal according to a Browns beat writer.
 
The reason Farmer turned down the Dolphins is because Ross only offered him a 2 year deal according to a Browns beat writer.

Not sure he was offered anything because he turned down a second interview.
 
The reason Farmer turned down the Dolphins is because Ross only offered him a 2 year deal according to a Browns beat writer.

Would continue to support the theory that Ross wanted to tie the fate of the new GM to Philbin. Would mean any future changes would be a clean sweep.
 
The Browns structure and the Fins structure are different. In Miami you have a coach and a cap/contract person that are as thick as thieves. If the GM insists on wanting a player and the coach doesn't, Philbin can go to Aponte and tell her he doesn't want said player. Aponte can give a low ball offer and torpedo the negotiations. Philbin gets what he wants and the GM essentially has no power. That's why I'm saying we're not getting any player in FA or the draft that Philbin doesn't want here. He has the control, one way or the other, not Hickey. I don't care who they say Aponte answers to. I'm willing to bet it ain't Hickey.
 
11:23AM, still waiting for the LaCanfora "Browns in disarray" article.

You would think he would come out with something considering he worked with Lombardi on NFL Network for a while. They did a lot of segments together.
 
The reason Farmer turned down the Dolphins is because Ross only offered him a 2 year deal according to a Browns beat writer.

Interesting how different reasons keep trickling in. Though this makes sense.
 
The Browns structure and the Fins structure are different. In Miami you have a coach and a cap/contract person that are as thick as thieves. If the GM insists on wanting a player and the coach doesn't, Philbin can go to Aponte and tell her he doesn't want said player. Aponte can give a low ball offer and torpedo the negotiations. Philbin gets what he wants and the GM essentially has no power. That's why I'm saying we're not getting any player in FA or the draft that Philbin doesn't want here. He has the control, one way or the other, not Hickey. I don't care who they say Aponte answers to. I'm willing to bet it ain't Hickey.
Cynical, cynical man.
 
The Browns structure and the Fins structure are different. In Miami you have a coach and a cap/contract person that are as thick as thieves. If the GM insists on wanting a player and the coach doesn't, Philbin can go to Aponte and tell her he doesn't want said player. Aponte can give a low ball offer and torpedo the negotiations. Philbin gets what he wants and the GM essentially has no power. That's why I'm saying we're not getting any player in FA or the draft that Philbin doesn't want here. He has the control, one way or the other, not Hickey. I don't care who they say Aponte answers to. I'm willing to bet it ain't Hickey.

You are taking massive leaps.
Not to mention Les Snead and Licht just took jobs were coaches have final say was explicitly worded not through some nebulous conjecture. So to say that this perceived though not explicit power structure is a deterrent is disingenuous .
 
If the GM insists on wanting a player and the coach doesn't, Philbin can go to Aponte and tell her he doesn't want said player.

No reasonable GM insists a coach have a player against his will. Any GM with half a brain knows he would be setting up that player for failure by forcing him on a team where he is unwanted by the coaching staff, and ultimately that failure reflects on the GM, not the coach. It would be a bad move for any GM to do that.
 
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