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The Miami Dolphins Are A 10 Win Team And Here Is Why

nick1 said:
Jordy Nelson? He was one of the games best boundary WRs. Maybe he flexed inside some but he was outside most of the time

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ok good post. But you can easily swap him out for Julian Edleman as another slot receiver that has strongly contributed to getting to the super bowl.
 
Ray R said:
We not have been a dynasty for a few decades, but we have started to be one under Adam Gase. Looking at the change in the Dolphins performance since Gase arrived, especially under last years combinations of problems is enlightening. Some of the teams ratings actually improved over 2015 under dire circumstances. That's tough to do, especially after a 10-6, 2015 season.

The Packers loss of their QB for most of last year yielded about the same results as our losing our QB and a key LB'er for the entire year, a drugged up coach that had to be replaced on the fly, a key free agent who ran away on the day of a game, a hurricane causing a schedule change resulting in the loss of a home field of a game on opening day and replacing it with a bye week on opening day, the limited availability of our veteran center to practice during the week and some back to back to back travel dates that occurred immediately after the hurricane that effected the teams families, and finally three key players who choose to go off script to enhance their stats rather than run the plays called for. All this and we were still in the running for a wild card position until the last few games. Your know of this.

Most people would say the Packers have been a dynasty. They are right to use the past tense.

Most people would say the Patriots are a dynasty. This year may show that their dynasty is coming to an end. The beginning of the end for the Patriots may have been last year when we blew them out of the water with a backup retired QB with some broken ribs and a depleted OL using a lot of 2nd teamers. Were the Patriots really bad or were we really good? I think a little of both. I can see us looking back a few years from now and concluding that the pivot point where the Patriots dynasty started to falter and the Dolphins dynasty started to show itself was that game.

Based on all of the above I am really looking forward to the 2018 Dolphins season. Will we see a set of serial catastrophes like last year and just eke out a middle of the road record or will we see about the same number and kinds of problems most other NFL teams run into and get into the play offs? In my mind there is no question that the absurd 2017 type of year will not re-occur. We are going to be in the playoffs and I look forward the watching the season as we get there.
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I look forward to watching them too, I just don’t expect them to win more than they lose.

Fins beat the Patriots then the Patriots went on to beat playoff team after playoff team to get into the Super Bowl. Meanwhile, the Fins went on to lose 3 in a row. So your conclusion is “maybe NE is really bad or Fins are really good (or a little of both)”...

You’re that guy that thinks since they beat a team that went to the SB they must of had a really good team too. Ya, you’re probably right, they’re just few excuses here and there like a hurricane and a coked out coach away from a SB.
 
Ray R said:
We not have been a dynasty for a few decades, but we have started to be one under Adam Gase. Looking at the change in the Dolphins performance since Gase arrived, especially under last years combinations of problems is enlightening. Some of the teams ratings actually improved over 2015 under dire circumstances. That's tough to do, especially after a 10-6, 2015 season.

The Packers loss of their QB for most of last year yielded about the same results as our losing our QB and a key LB'er for the entire year, a drugged up coach that had to be replaced on the fly, a key free agent who ran away on the day of a game, a hurricane causing a schedule change resulting in the loss of a home field of a game on opening day and replacing it with a bye week on opening day, the limited availability of our veteran center to practice during the week and some back to back to back travel dates that occurred immediately after the hurricane that effected the teams families, and finally three key players who choose to go off script to enhance their stats rather than run the plays called for. All this and we were still in the running for a wild card position until the last few games. Your know of this.

Most people would say the Packers have been a dynasty. They are right to use the past tense.

Most people would say the Patriots are a dynasty. This year may show that their dynasty is coming to an end. The beginning of the end for the Patriots may have been last year when we blew them out of the water with a backup retired QB with some broken ribs and a depleted OL using a lot of 2nd teamers. Were the Patriots really bad or were we really good? I think a little of both. I can see us looking back a few years from now and concluding that the pivot point where the Patriots dynasty started to falter and the Dolphins dynasty started to show itself was that game.

Based on all of the above I am really looking forward to the 2018 Dolphins season. Will we see a set of serial catastrophes like last year and just eke out a middle of the road record or will we see about the same number and kinds of problems most other NFL teams run into and get into the play offs? In my mind there is no question that the absurd 2017 type of year will not re-occur. We are going to be in the playoffs and I look forward the watching the season as we get there.
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I don't think anyone considers the Packers a dynasty, to be a dynasty you need to win multiple Super Bowls which the Packers have not. 1 Super Bowl does not a dynasty make. Even if they win a SB this year the last one was 8 years ago so it still wouldn't be a dynasty.

As far as the Dolphins and Packers both losing their QB's...as bad as Cutler was and how crappy he played Brett Hundley was a lot worse, like 2002 Ray Lucas bad.
 
jnozag said:
you keep missing the point. Im not trying to argue who was better between Ajayi and Drake. They are both great backs and we could have kept them both and have an amazing backfield for the next 5 years.
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Problem with this thinking is ignoring the fact that it has been reported several times that Ajayi was known to sulk, throw tantrums and basically would have a bad attitude when he was not getting the ball as often as he liked. How would Ajayi had handled Drake or someone else taking on a bigger role. Yes he accepted it for a few weeks with the Eagles. How much of that was due to the shock of being traded. Will Ajayi continue to be a consummate team player if he is asked to continue to split carries in Philly or will he revert back to his selfish anticts.We haven't seen the whole picture yet. Blaming Gase while giving all the credit to Pederson is unfair at this point. Lets see how Ajayi does for a full season with the Eagles. I believe the Dolphins will be just fine with the RB group they have now for 2018.
 
joenhre said:
Problem with this thinking is ignoring the fact that it has been reported several times that Ajayi was known to sulk, throw tantrums and basically would have a bad attitude when he was not getting the ball as often as he liked. How would Ajayi had handled Drake or someone else taking on a bigger role. Yes he accepted it for a few weeks with the Eagles. How much of that was due to the shock of being traded. Will Ajayi continue to be a consummate team player if he is asked to continue to split carries in Philly or will he revert back to his selfish anticts.We haven't seen the whole picture yet. Blaming Gase while giving all the credit to Pederson is unfair at this point. Lets see how Ajayi does for a full season with the Eagles. I believe the Dolphins will be just fine with the RB group they have now for 2018.
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I was at the Dolphins/Steelers Playoff game 2 years ago. About 25 feet from the sidelines. It was fridged cold and after every series, the offense or defense would grab their coats and sit on the bench. The only player, I mean only player on offense I saw trying to keep his teammates amped up, excited and staying positive was Ajayi. He walked up and down the bench repeatedly, multiple series and tried getting his teammates excited. No one else did this. Dude wants to win! Gave me a lot of respect for him and when people say he sulks, this game makes me wonder if he’s just pissed because he wants to win!

Here’s a picture right after Matt Moore took that vicious hit:

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I think many are overlooking the changes in the coaching staff this off season, I think these could have a significant positive impact on the Fins. Improvements on oline and general O organisation, improved Dline coaching could help us along.

On the player side I suspect we will have a significant improvement as a result of getting rid of both Ajayi and Landry, as good players as they were they don't appear to be team first players. We now hopefully have a team with less divas and a 10 win season certainly isn't out of the realms of possibility.
 
JahnDho said:
I’m just mostly right, and much better than most. When I relied on someone I was always careful of what I said and how I said it; always being mindful of tact and how people respond. Now that people rely on me in my circle, I lead. You don’t have to follow, but I don’t need you on my side either. So I really don’t care how I come off. You don’t need to believe me, but I’ll be the guy in here saying I told you so.
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Well that certainly settles it... Your opinions are fact FTW! Quick reminder though... More than 75% of drivers believe they are above average drivers... Human nature...
 
JahnDho said:
Was merely referring to the slot position, but we can talk (and even wager ) the offensive production as a whole. For starters, RT will be the main contributor in that. What’s the ultimate way to measure that? I’d suggest points scored is the best indicator as all forms have mitigating factors.

To your point, just because they’re more well rounded doesn’t translate to more production from the WR group. I’d argue they’re less rounded because they’ve diluted their talent. The top half of the teams they play can cover man or zone and have little issue. Although Gase is getting better applying his system to his personel, he still needs better talent. I’m no longer optimistic Parker can do the job. He had his chances. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if he does. Stills may repeat 2016 form, but after him teams can cover Amendola and Wilson. Gesicki is most likely a year away.

So who’s the go to receiver when it’s 4th and 4 and D’s playing the run? Who can they rely on to make a big play when RT throws it up? They’re going to try Parker and hope he does. That’s not the same as throwing it up to a WR1. Who’s going to fire up their offense with a tough play that gets them rallying? Who can they rely on week in and week out that plays banged up and rarely gets hurt?
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I've never been a big Parker fan. Took a lot of heat the beginning of last year for pointing out some obvious flaws in his game. So I'm not arguing anything for Parker other than what he is.

I'm simply saying that Miami isn't going to be hurting from the loss of Landry nearly as much as you stated. And my wager would simply be this: passing yards gained from WRs, TEs, and backs will be greater in 2018 than 2017. Just keep it simple. And I'll wager you straight up 100 bucks, just for fun -- and the mods can determine the winner.

And, 4th and 4 -- or 3rd and 4 -- Miami is gonna have multiple options they didn't have last year. Parker is only so good on 4th and 4. Surprisely weak on non-rhythm jumps, slow off LOS and in and out of breaks, easily clogged on short slants. Wouldn't be my top three. I'm looking Gesicki (body and leaping ability, range and positioning) or Wilson (quickness) or Amendola (zone killer who will read the D perfectly) or Grant (speed and quicks to catch a 2 yard pass and make one person miss). Yes, missing Landry hurts. But there are some serious pros who will step up.

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Shoes said:
That might be valid if the 1 win season was more than a 1 time fluke...
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Yeah... but if you go back to my original post in regards to the actual subject, my comment makes a lot more sense. We're all rooting for the same team here, but if you haven't noticed an insane level of unfounded optimism for a perennially mediocre team then I really don't know what to tell you.
 
JahnDho said:
I was at the Dolphins/Steelers Playoff game 2 years ago. About 25 feet from the sidelines. It was fridged cold and after every series, the offense or defense would grab their coats and sit on the bench. The only player, I mean only player on offense I saw trying to keep his teammates amped up, excited and staying positive was Ajayi. He walked up and down the bench repeatedly, multiple series and tried getting his teammates excited. No one else did this. Dude wants to win! Gave me a lot of respect for him and when people say he sulks, this game makes me wonder if he’s just pissed because he wants to win!

Here’s a picture right after Matt Moore took that vicious hit:

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He really did have an enthusiasm for the game, but we know something wasn’t right in the attitude Dept for him to be left home on a road trip.

Ultimately I believe he was released because he was really a one dimensional running back, I think this offense needs a Marshall Faulk type skillset and that’s what drake provides.
 
djphinfan said:
He really did have an enthusiasm for the game, but we know something wasn’t right in the attitude Dept for him to be left home on a road trip.

Ultimately I believe he was released because he was really a one dimensional running back, I think this offense needs a Marshall Faulk type skillset and that’s what drake provides.
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If Gase got rid of Ajai because he was one dimensional than thats contradictory to him saying he would build his scheme around players.
 
superphin said:
If Gase got rid of Ajai because he was one dimensional than thats contradictory to him saying he would build his scheme around players.
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He was one dimensionnal as in he only gave a **** when the play called for him to run the ball... He half-assed everthing else... And you can see it on tape...
 
superphin said:
If Gase got rid of Ajai because he was one dimensional than thats contradictory to him saying he would build his scheme around players.
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I believe he dedicated that year to Ajayi and what he did well, but ultimately to get to the level that he wants to go, having a back that is a dual threat is of critical importance...

That's where I think he was left with a sort of ultimatum, Ajayi wasn't going to be happy being a specialist type player, so he had to move on from the player.

eventually that year I could see defenses figuring us out on offense, him trying to stretch the play to the outside and cutting inside was becoming predictable, I could see defenders simply covering the cutback lanes, and him going on in route was an easy cover, terrible route runner, stiff, with bad timing on option routes.
 
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