Stupid argument. SUCK FOR LUCK!!!!!
The Myth of the First Round QB
You mean the Dan Marino that made us competitive for the SB each and every year he played despite the lack of support? That Dan Marino? Tired comparison lacking any context whatsoever, right along side the "Ryan Leaf fallacy." Face it, if you don't think 1st round QB is the way to go, you are as knowledgeable about the NFL as the past few staffs that have failed here. Supporting staff around the QB is what gets a team over the hump. A QB CREATES the hump in the first place. Period.
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After reading all of this, there is only one answer..... draft luck #1 then trade the rest of our draft, plus next years #1 and draft barkley #2...... should be a cant miss!
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Kinzua
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Exactly. This is what makes taking a franchise QB who busts such a franchise killer. The Bills gave up their 2005 first rounder to take Losman in the first in 2004. Matt Schaub lasted until the 3rd round in 2004. Aaron Rodgers was still on the board when Dallas used the first rounder they got from the Bills in 2005.
Dolph N.Fan
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You would think by now Miami would have tried drafting a QB in the 1st rd by now. Since passing on 1st rd QBs, relying on other teams' trash, and trying to build around a LT has netted Miami nothing but mediocrity.
But it's just as much of a franchise-killer to have a roster of inadequate QBs, regardless of where they were drafted.
It's definitely much safer to wallow in mediocrity until you get lucky with a decent QB from some other round.
The mere fact that the failure of a franchise QB attempt can "destroy" a franchise for a couple of years is actually more proof of how important the position is. Boom or Bust, but the Boom is absolutely worth the risk versus continued mediocrity with the occasional/rare playoff appearance, at best.
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Ok let do it this way I don't just want one Superbowl win i want 2 to 4 wins. Out of the multi Superbowl winning QB's 70% are 1st round picks. There have been 10 buy my count 3 that are not 1st rounders Starr 17th rd pick, Montana 3rd rd pick, and Brady 6th rd pick. 1st rd picks, Stauback, Bradshaw, Griese, Plunkett, Elway, Aikman, Roethlisburger. I'll take the 70% chance on winning more than 1 Superbowl.
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Cam Newton signed a four year deal worth $22 million. Relatively speaking, that's not a big investment for an NFL franchise. it might set you back a year or two, ut IMO, not a franchise " killer"
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Maybe it's the QB or the QB coaches, but don't discount the offensive scheme. Conservative, defensive-minded coaches like Sparano tend to like low-risk offenses that stress making no mistakes and wait for the other team to make a mistake. They're the guys who like "game manager" QBs because they don't want to throw downfield more than necessary. Dink-and-dunk passing. That gets a team FGs not TDs because defenses catch on and crowd the LOS. Bills fans were there and saw that for 3+ years with Jauron as HC.
I don't think that kind of offensive scheme can succeed these days. Defenses are too sophisticated and the successful teams today sure aren't afraid to stretch the field. They pass to set up their running games. Some of the most successful, like Green Bay and New England, have running games almost as after-thoughts. You can't really judge a QB playing in this kind of system because it's so limited that it sets him up for failure.
BTW, that kid Andy Dalton in Cincy seems to be the real deal. I think that that's what the Dolphins should look for in any QB: smarts, leadership, desire. I think these intangibles factor in a lot more than big arm and hype. He got a little rattled, but then settled down in the second half.
Wisconsin's Russell Wilson looks like that kind of QB, too, if the Phins were looking for "sleeper" at QB.
Anyhoo, there are lots of holes, so the Phins should go BPA. If that's a QB, fine. If not, don't take a QB just to take one.
macblastr
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what i am saying is, take dan marino and stick him in here and guess what? we still suck... Do you or anyone here honestly think that if drew breeze came here, that we would have gone to the super bowl? NOT A CHANCE.
Who honestly knows how good Check Down Chad Henne is? He has Bess to throw to and thats it... Brandon Marshmellow is a waste!!! This teams problems dont start with the quarterback (he may be in the conversation tho) and wont be solved by simply replacing the quarterback. Someone needs to post all the 1st rounders that were busts.
tfh_rules
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As soon as Andrew Luck can block for himself, catch a TD pass without dropping it, stop the run, get some pressure on the other QB, and cover a receiver, then I will join the Suck for Luck goofballs and believe that if only we had andrew luck, all our problems would be solved.
If all it took was great QB play, Marino would have 10 rings.
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If all it took was great QB play, Marino would have 10 rings.
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It would be one hell of a start. You START with the QB, then build the team around him. The solution BEGINS there. I have over a decade of evidence that shows that you don't compete NEARLY as often doing the opposite. What do you have? The rare exception?
Yes, if Dan were here, we would be competitive DESPITE the morons on the sidelines. You clearly undervalue the most important position in football. BY FAR the most important.
And most realists know exactly how good "check down" (funny that you say that right after stating that you don't know how good he could be) Chad Henne is. Career backup/journeyman starter. Mark it down.
Regarding all the 1st round "busts," would you mind posting all the other round busts right next to it? That's the only way it can be effective. Better include UDFA's as well.
Hell, by that mindset, why don't we trade out of the first every year? Stock up on mediocrity with the very rare lucky break. Wait, we already do that by simply drafting second round positions in the first round. If we were truly savvy, we'd trade away all our picks and just grab UDFA's! Kurt Warner was a UDFA, so it has to work!
We've done it your way (/Sparano's way/Cameron's way/Saban's way/Wanny's way/JJ's way) for the past decade. It fails. It's the recipe for mediocrity (or worse) with the occasional *** beating in the first round of the playoffs. How about we go with what actually works, by drafting the most important position in the game in the round with the most talent?
Ha, another Marino comparison that excludes facts and context. Check out the following stats and tell me we weren't a better team with Marino than without:
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Can you take a wild guess as to when Marino retired?