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I know who the Dolphins were coveting in the 1st round and why they slapped the table, so to speak. And it wasn't Cesar Ruiz. You'll probably not even be able to guess it. Surprised me, but it was straight out of the horse's mouth so it's not information I doubt. The Jordan Love trade, as far as I know, wasn't in reaction to anything. It was a thing they wanted to do for a specific reason or set of reasons.

I don't have information on whether they really were upset when J.K. Dobbins went. I do know that Raekwon Davis has always been on radar. Something certainly didn't go their way with respect to the running backs, because yes the phone calls about Leonard Fournette, Todd Gurley, and Matt Breida was indeed a pivot. But if Dobbins was really a big time target I have a tough time believing they grab Robert Hunt at #39. I think in all likelihood, things had already gone sideways at the RB position when the Dolphins made that #39 pick. And I have a pretty good feeling based on information who, and how. The Chiefs are good drafters. And they know how to keep their cards close to the vest.

I enjoyed the Malcolm Perry pick as well. An unexpected but pleasant surprise at a point when I thought frankly they'd essentially given up on the rest of the draft. They had just taken a long snapper. If that isn't a sign that you're closing up shop, I don't know what is. But they chose that last pick as an opportunity to stick a finger in Bill Belichick's eye.

The buzz is Curtis Weaver had some sort of sickness in the off season that caused him to put on a bunch of bad weight. Certainly you pop on a 2018 game of his like the BYU game and you see a player that is both leaner and livelier. So I'm rooting for the kid, hoping he had some unfortunate circumstances. His eyes and his redirect are his biggest weapons. His redirect is why he ran such good agility drills at the Combine. Pretty strong upper body, too.

Brian Flores referred to him as a pass rusher, and openly wondered if it would translate. That's correct. That's what Weaver is. I would liken him a little bit to a player Flores coached in New England just before he left for Miami, Keionta Davis out of UT-Chattanooga. I wonder if that's who Flores sees, and if that's the sort of role he feels like he could carve out for Weaver in this defense, if Weaver does well enough for it. I'm not saying that's all Curtis Weaver will ever be, but I think it's a pretty good analog.

I think Raekwon Davis is a brilliant selection for this defense. He's the big swinging dick, the 500 lbs gorilla, that will command the doubles and free guys like Christian Wilkins, Shaq Lawson, Emmanuel Ogbah, and Kyle Van Noy up to go stunting around and/or beating single blocks. When linemen go on the attack against Davis, he has as much ability to stay rooted as anyone I've seen. When he goes on the attack, he's either got four or six eyes on him at all times, or he's dishing out bruises, making the QB uncomfortable in a collapsing pocket, and keeping him on an egg timer. My favorite is when Bama would occasionally bring Davis out to end and have him get downhill against a tackle in single blocking. It looked like trying to keep an avalanche in place. He gets off blocks. He can dominate passing lanes with his length and ability to get push to the inside. And what surprises is his speed when he has to get lateral and keep the ball carrier from turning the corner.

I think Robert Hunt was the best guard prospect in the draft. He might be given the opportunity to prove that right tackle isn't his future, but I also feel that when push comes to shove, they'd rather put their trust in the veteran Jesse Davis at that spot by the time Week 1 rolls around (whenever it rolls around). And once that happens, and you stick Hunt at right guard for the season, his performance there will probably keep you from deciding to move him back out, and thus we'll be looking for some right tackles next off season.

Brandon Jones was the highest recruited safety prospect in the country back in 2016. To me there are two types to claim that sort of honor: the physically dynamic ones like Derwin James, or guys who are just Mr. Football doing everything super well. Jones is the latter. Certainly by the time you got to 2019, he could do pretty much everything they asked him to do on the field pretty well. He has good (not great) speed, could close on the ball and jar it loose to prevent the catch. He was disciplined, very smart, aggressive. He's always running at full speed out there. His angles were good. His strength is good, ability to play down hill from the box or on the line of scrimmage, be physical and get off blocks, blitz the quarterback, etc. He's even a good punt returner, which I think speaks to his overarching ability to do just about anything on a football field well.

But in the end he's 5'11" and 198 lbs with short arms, and that pops up a lot when you see him having to work twice as hard as some others to break up a deep ball, or make a challenging open field tackle. I think he's missed 29 tackles the last two years, something like that. You see some arm tackles where the runner almost broke loose of him.

The pick I really didn't like was Jason Strowbridge. I know this isn't going to seem a very apt contrast because they're different sizes, but he's the anti-Raekwon Davis. Offensive linemen do not have much of a tough time with Strowbridge. They're not walking out of the game black and blue, or feeling lucky to have kept him at bay for 60 minutes. He's a physical specimen, like Davis, only smaller and therefore more likely to play on the edges. But you can be that and still come off as a player that gives blockers a hard time. When Jason Strowbridge is combo blocked, he gets pushed off the screen. Literally. He's at his best when he can get his hand placement right, and use his hands the way he really wants to. But otherwise I keep watching the guy and uttering the cliche phrase, "Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane."

One of the themes I get out of this draft is taking some guys who had reasons they couldn't reach full potential in college, be it an injury here, an off season sickness, immaturity, donating bone marrow, a recent position switch, poor coaching, etc. You can take that one all the way to the top with Tua Tagovailoa, who wouldn't have been within reach of the Dolphins had he not crunched his hip. It's an interesting approach that reminds me a little bit of a period when the Bengals and Raiders always used to take the guys who were talented but fell because the league thought of them as problem children. Miami doesn't go that far, they generally go for choir boys as a matter of fact. But they were definitely looking at things almost from an equity analyst's standpoint, looking for mis-priced assets and market inefficiencies.

I heard from people close to the org that Clyde and Swift were their targets at 39, could be wrong though.
 
Seemed like the Dolphins learned their lesson one day too late, in terms of trading up to get guys they coveted. Ruiz and Dobbins stood out as likely targets where we got burned by staying put.
Really true, so funny that they packaged an extra 4th to move up for a better project player, but unwilling to throw in a 4th to secure blue-chip talent at a need position? That would be my biggest criticism of the draft overall.

But, anyone else notice a different tenor in this draft over other Grier drafts? I'm trying to imagine their decision-making engine. Grier handles the draft-pick valuation side, but the board is determined by consensus with Flo and Mckenzie/Allen. Looks like upgrading Flo over Gase may have been big not as a coach but as a primary FO influencer too. And give credit to Grier for being a consensus-type guy, maybe knowing he is not a draft guru. Takes some humility to run an FO that way.
 
I heard from people close to the org that Clyde and Swift were their targets at 39, could be wrong though.

A couple of things if true. Why not use 30 to grab Hellaire or Swift? After seeing Hellaire off the board why not trade up in the 2nd to secure Swift? Dobbins getting swiped? Come on the guy was great value and free falling and you don’t move up? 55 for Dobbins is robbery. How do you bring in all of these backs to talk to and don’t make a better effort to get one?
I realize they got Brieda but he is a band aid. Grier dropped the ball, just that simple.
 
A couple of things if true. Why not use 30 to grab Hellaire or Swift? After seeing Hellaire off the board why not trade up in the 2nd to secure Swift? Dobbins getting swiped? Come on the guy was great value and free falling and you don’t move up? 55 for Dobbins is robbery. How do you bring in all of these backs to talk to and don’t make a better effort to get one?
I realize they got Brieda but he is a band aid. Grier dropped the ball, just that simple.

becuase if you noticed last year we tried 4 different backs and all had the same success. The line is trash and needs to be rebuilt first. Dobbins and Clyde would’ve done nothing behind the line if it isn’t rebuilt.

I think the team likes Gaskin more then people think
 
Clyde Edwards-Helaire wasn't even invited to participate in the draft. On surveys D'Andre Swift had the majority support as RB1 and I believe Jonathan Taylor had majority support at RB2.

The Chiefs just happen to be excellent drafters when it comes to going off script, keeping things a secret, surprising people. It was a brilliant pick for them and I am willing to bet Miami people slapped the table in anger when that pick happened.
 
Clyde Edwards-Helaire wasn't even invited to participate in the draft. On surveys D'Andre Swift had the majority support as RB1 and I believe Jonathan Taylor had majority support at RB2.

The Chiefs just happen to be excellent drafters when it comes to going off script, keeping things a secret, surprising people. It was a brilliant pick for them and I am willing to bet Miami people slapped the table in anger when that pick happened.

I'm about the opposite of a draft guru. I have three or four players every year who I absolutely adore, plus vague knowledge of the first 2 rounds and that's about it. But Jonathan Taylor is a player that I would have absolutely loved, was really hoping he would be our pick in the 2nd
 
I cannot agree on Davis -he is not an avalanche. 5’8”, 200 pound college running backs come up and decleat him putting him right on his butt.

He’s done absolutely nothing at Alabama and it’s not somebody else’s fault. It’s obvious they were just looking for tall guys with length to stick on the defensive line in this draft. Without much consideration for anything else.

Fit for Miami’s defense, but not a wise usage of a 2nd round pick.
 
I cannot agree on Davis -he is not an avalanche. 5’8”, 200 pound college running backs come up and decleat him putting him right on his butt.

He’s done absolutely nothing at Alabama and it’s not somebody else’s fault. It’s obvious they were just looking for tall guys with length to stick on the defensive line in this draft. Without much consideration for anything else.

Fit for Miami’s defense, but not a wise usage of a 2nd round pick.
If it weren’t for Tua - I wonder if Grier supporters would be so positive.

Exactly right, according to what I've heard.
If that’s the case, it’s poor draft management. If you love a player at 39- pick him at 30.
There should be very little “table banging” with all that draft capital.
Or you move up for Swift after the CEH selection.
 
Has Adeniniji been drafted yet? Delpit went over a hundred picks ago.

You have to understand this isn’t an attempt to predict where players are drafted. This is a ranking based on talent and value of the talent relative to the value of the position.

If you’ve ever watched tape of Adeniji you understand he can block. Also has versatility to kick inside to guard where he played in the Senior Bowl. Adeniji has a chance to play for a long time in the NFL.

Delpit has about the same chance to start if he learns how to tackle. It’s easier to clean up blocking technique than getting a kid to decide he wants to tackle.

Delpit was drafted 44th. Adeniji was drafted 136 picks later. There will never be 136 picks difference between the two.

It’s kinda like saying there was ever going to be 250 picks difference between Greedy Williams who was another LSU DB taken 46th last year, and Preston Williams who went undrafted. No chance.
 
Ok guys. With OTA’s, camp, or football of any kind not on the immediate horizon and with the 2020 draft now in the rear view, I’m already looking forward to the 2021 draft! ;)

Ja’Marr Chase, DeVonta Smith, Penei Sewell, Walker Little, Najee Harris, Travis Etienne, Shaun Wade, Justyn Ross, Creed Humphrey, etc. — I’m all ready!

Slim’s probably already started on his 2021 rankings.

I hope Slimm is - i thoroughly enjoy reading his posts.
 
You have to understand this isn’t an attempt to predict where players are drafted. This is a ranking based on talent and value of the talent relative to the value of the position.

If you’ve ever watched tape of Adeniji you understand he can block. Also has versatility to kick inside to guard where he played in the Senior Bowl. Adeniji has a chance to play for a long time in the NFL.

Delpit has about the same chance to start if he learns how to tackle. It’s easier to clean up blocking technique than getting a kid to decide he wants to tackle.

Delpit was drafted 44th. Adeniji was drafted 136 picks later. There will never be 136 picks difference between the two.

It’s kinda like saying there was ever going to be 250 picks difference between Greedy Williams who was another LSU DB taken 46th last year, and Preston Williams who went undrafted. No chance.

Well, when I saw your rankings I immediately thought Delpit is a top 50 guy and Adeniji doesn’t belong in the top 100.
 
Well, when I saw your rankings I immediately thought Delpit is a top 50 guy and Adeniji doesn’t belong in the top 100.

Anyone is welcome to disagree and start or stop reading whenever they choose. I’m just telling you I don’t see 100 or more better NFL careers in this draft than Hakeem Adeniji. We’ll find out.
 
Clyde Edwards-Helaire wasn't even invited to participate in the draft. On surveys D'Andre Swift had the majority support as RB1 and I believe Jonathan Taylor had majority support at RB2.

The Chiefs just happen to be excellent drafters when it comes to going off script, keeping things a secret, surprising people. It was a brilliant pick for them and I am willing to bet Miami people slapped the table in anger when that pick happened.

I don't know how that pick was a surprise. As soon as it reached their spot I fully expected it to be Edwards-Helaire. Westbrook for years would average 200+ rushes and 50-60 catches. There was no way Andy Reid was going to pass up that type of reinstatement, but with even more of a high energy bowling ball type who can invigorate the entire bench and fan base. Kareem Hunt had the same type of numbers in his one full season with the Chiefs.

A couple of months ago I saw comparisons of Edwards-Helaire to Barry Sanders and Maurice Jones-Drew. I replied it was nonsense because those were sub 4.4 guys. But when the name Brian Westbrook came up I said it was valid, because he's the same type of 4.55 or 4.6 type as Edwards-Helaire. I'm sure Reid recognized the same thing.

There wasn't an Ezekiel Elliott or especially a Saquon Barkley in this draft. I kept seeing Edwards-Helaire 4th running back on lots of lists. But why does he have to be below guys like Jonathan Taylor or De'Andre Swift or Dobbins? Those guys aren't extra special. I think that's the mistake many teams made, including perhaps Miami. They looked at the conventional wisdom slotting, and not the gap. It's like a horse race when the horse is the fourth betting favorite at 9/2, but that's no big deal because the others are not far in front of him at 3/1, 7/2 and 4/1.
 
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