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OMG! Is he playing GOLF instead of being in his Playbook? Flo was RIGHT!
/sarcasm
I agree with you but for some reason Tua is a little different IMO. You have people who thought he’d be really good and people who thought he wasn’t an NFL QB. Both sides are absolutely dying to be right about these takes. It’s like their entire QB evaluation skills, which are probably irrelevant because the don’t evaluate QB’s for a living, are hanging in the balance for the outcome of Tua. It’s actually really weird if you ask me.This is how I feel.
Did NE fans have to defend Brady this long? Did Packer fans have to defend Rodgers like this? How about Colts fans and Peyton Manning?
I don’t ever recall a QB needing such defending and then turning out to be great.
Well, I can't fathom why wouldn't guarantee at least moderate success, assuming those pieces are still who they were last year.Again, that is true, but it isn't "given" that having those weapons in place guarantees success either, is it? Sure the chances are better, but it is far from automatic, which is what some believe.
Aren't you a bills fan ? Why the hell are you critiquing our qb?
You aren't very likely going to get within one game of a championship, as the Bengals did, with a line as bad as ours
IMO, the extremes on either side of the debate are equally irrational. The unfortunate thing is that being in the middle will draw attacks from both sides. Maybe unfortunate is not the right word. It can be entertaining at times.I agree with you but for some reason Tua is a little different IMO. You have people who thought he’d be really good and people who thought he wasn’t an NFL QB. Both sides are absolutely dying to be right about these takes. It’s like their entire QB evaluation skills, which are probably irrelevant because the don’t evaluate QB’s for a living, are hanging in the balance for the outcome of Tua. It’s actually really weird if you ask me.
I think he can be pretty good if given the tools to work with which he should have in 2022. He definitely needs to be protected which is why I think Armstead is the most important offensive player on the Dolphins. He goes down and Miami rolls out Jackson or Eich at left tackle the excuses will probably continue.
Again, you are picking a stat, and using it in a vacuum, without context.Just a reminder. The Bengals O-line tied an NFL RECORD for most amount of sacks given up in a playoff game.
And they won the game.
They gave up more sacks in that 1 game than Miami's o-line had given up in any 2 games COMBINED to any one quarterback last season. That's pretty wild.
Not sure how we can say that you arent going to get within one game of a championship with a line as bad as the Dolphins, when the Bengals went to the Super Bowl with a line that gave up more sacks in 1 game than the Dolphins did in any 2 games combined.
Joe Burrow ties NFL record for most times sacked in playoff game, and rewrites history book with Bengals win
Burrow tied Warren Moon for most times sacked in a playoff gamewww.cbssports.com
Again, you are picking a stat, and using it in a vacuum, without context.
Burrow held the ball longer. Before you respond by saying "but it was less than a second", I will point out that .8 seconds is 30-40% longer. Irrespective of the measurement length, 30-40% of anything is a substantial difference.
So now you want to compare Tua, a guy with less than two seasons worth of starts to two of the best of their generation? Talk about logical fallacy......Is that any different than you saying; "They made the Super Bowl and therefore their line MUST be better" (which is the definition of a logical fallacy by the way)
Yes, 0.8 seconds is enough of a difference to matter.
But what about the fact that Brady had the exact same time to throw (2.5 seconds) as Tua, and the Bucs won the SB last year and playoffs this past year? Rodgers too.
I get that fans want to defend defend defend - Trust me, I did it plenty with Losman, Edwards, Manuel, Fitzpatrick, etc ... but there are plenty of teams who make noise with bad o-lines. And the Bengals were as close to horrible as you can get and they still went to the SB.
Maybe they weren't as bad as Miami's, but they were not far off. The fact that they tied a 60 year old NFL RECORD for sacks given up in a playoff game should tell you something. Or it wont, because youre a fan. Which is fine too because I have been there and done that and understand it.
So now you want to compare Tua, a guy with less than two seasons worth of starts to two of the best of their generation? Talk about logical fallacy......
Anyway I'm not the one framing the discussion in terms of Tua being good or bad. I was discussing why your assessment of the two Olines was flawed.Nothing more. Nothing less.
If you want to move it to a referendum on Tua, I'm not taking the bait. I, as many here will affirm, have been critical of Tua just as much as I have defended him. You are barking up the wrong tree on that one.
“Tua was a very highly drafted QB…reality is, he is expected to play at a very high level or he will be criticized and eventually replaced.”One of the things that is ugly about this current era is the need to generalize and label critical review as hate…in order to marginalize, ignore and discard dissenting views.
Tua was a very highly drafted QB…reality is, he is expected to play at a very high level or he will be criticized and eventually replaced.
Let’s hope as Dolphin fans his destiny is the former and not the latter…..
⁷Just a reminder. The Bengals O-line tied an NFL RECORD for most amount of sacks given up in a playoff game.
And they won the game.
They gave up more sacks in that 1 game than Miami's o-line had given up in any 2 games COMBINED to any one quarterback last season. That's pretty wild.
Not sure how we can say that you arent going to get within one game of a championship with a line as bad as the Dolphins, when the Bengals went to the Super Bowl with a line that gave up more sacks in 1 game than the Dolphins did in any 2 games combined.
Joe Burrow ties NFL record for most times sacked in playoff game, and rewrites history book with Bengals win
Burrow tied Warren Moon for most times sacked in a playoff gamewww.cbssports.com