Wallace has been \is the problem.

[J. David Wannyheimer]

I guess I'm not just the type of person that will summarize a whole night by one play. I watched the game 3 times and saw Tanne playing good football.

I don't think he was bad, but I wasn't impressed. I have 'made excuses' for him the past two years, but I felt like they were legitimate. The OL was straight trash and at times the receiving corps has been a joke. We haven't been able to run the football worth a damn since we lost Reggie Bush, either.

But none of those are matter when you're rolling out to your right and you have a WIIIIIIIIIDE OPEN Brian Hartline there for an easy first down and instead you basically throw it away to Mike Wallace in coverage on the sideline. I expect better.

 

[Phinatic8u]

He still has his moments, Tannehill that is, but they are happening less and less and I expect Lazor to get into his ass this week.

 

[j-off-her-doll]

His YPA was pretty good though, so we're okay.

His YPA is the primary stat I'm focusing on this season. If Tannehill can maintain a YPA of around 8 yards - 7.7-8.0+ - Miami has a GREAT chance to make the playoffs. Very few teams do well here and fail reach the playoffs, and the ones that do usually have very bad D's. Our D has issues, but it's well above average. Relative YPA (YPA for offense minus YPA given up by D) is one of the best indicators of success that I'm aware of. To date, I've been very impressed by Lazor's route concepts, and Tannehill has looked sharper than ever.

 

[Phinatic8u]

Tannehill will easily have a 7 plus YPA.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

His YPA is the primary stat I'm focusing on this season. If Tannehill can maintain a YPA of around 8 yards - 7.7-8.0+ - Miami has a GREAT chance to make the playoffs. Very few teams do well here and fail reach the playoffs, and the ones that do usually have very bad D's. Our D has issues, but it's well above average. Relative YPA (YPA for offense minus YPA given up by D) is one of the best indicators of success that I'm aware of. To date, I've been very impressed by Lazor's route concepts, and Tannehill has looked sharper than ever.

I don't want to turn this into that conversation, but one of the things that irked me about the whole "Tannehill sucks because his YPA sucks" conversation is that there is a tremendous amount of historical evidence to demonstrate that yards per attempt is extremely variable for individual quarterbacks, and often has a lot to do with the offensive design and surrounding talent.

I think comparing Tannehill to Jake Plummer is a pretty decent jump-off point here. Plummer's yards per attempt was flat garbage in Arizona, but when he got to Denver with Gary Kubiak, his YPA jumped over a full point. Kubiak left and they retooled the offense? It dropped again.

Coaching matters.

 

[phinsgohard06]

I just want Wallace to play his role. Use that speed to take the cap off the defense. I could care less which receiver is catching the ball. Just keep catching it.

 

[j-off-her-doll]

I don't want to turn this into that conversation, but one of the things that irked me about the whole "Tannehill sucks because his YPA sucks" conversation is that there is a tremendous amount of historical evidence to demonstrate that yards per attempt is extremely variable for individual quarterbacks, and often has a lot to do with the offensive design and surrounding talent.

I think comparing Tannehill to Jake Plummer is a pretty decent jump-off point here. Plummer's yards per attempt was flat garbage in Arizona, but when he got to Denver with Gary Kubiak, his YPA jumped over a full point. Kubiak left and they retooled the offense? It dropped again.

Coaching matters.

Absolutely. The situation matters. I have little doubt that Tannehill's YPA will improve this season under Lazor. The extent to which it improves will largely determine our playoff fate. My stance on that debate - without reopening that can of worms - is that Wilson has produced two remarkably efficient seasons - historically efficient (for a QB's first two years); whereas, Tannehill still has to prove that can perform at a similar level. That's not knocking Tannehill or his future prospects. He just has to do it. Wilson has done it. Tannehill has not to this point. Doesn't mean he can't, but I don't think it's fair to Wilson to speculate that Tannehill would be as good or better than Wilson under similar circumstances. There's reason to be optimistic with Lazor as the OC.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Absolutely. The situation matters. I have little doubt that Tannehill's YPA will improve this season under Lazor. The extent to which it improves will largely determine our playoff fate. My stance on that debate - without reopening that can of worms - is that Wilson has produced two remarkably efficient seasons - historically efficient (for a QB's first two years); whereas, Tannehill still has to prove that can perform at a similar level. That's not knocking Tannehill or his future prospects. He just has to do it. Wilson has done it. Tannehill has not to this point. Doesn't mean he can't, but I don't think it's fair to Wilson to speculate that Tannehill would be as good or better than Wilson under similar circumstances. There's reason to be optimistic with Lazor as the OC.

I wasn't even thinking of Wilson. I was more thinking of a guy like Andy Dalton, who I honestly think is not a very good quarterback. He's put up almost eye-popping good numbers, but I just don't think he's very good, and I'll be curious to see what happens with Jay Gruden gone to Washington. Honestly also pretty interested to see what happens with Griffin now.

Back on the topic of Wallace, seeing the slow motion close-up makes it pretty clear it was pass interference. Dude practically pulled Mike's pants down.

 

[mnphinfan]

THANK YOU!

There is ONE. I have heard so much about all of these deep throws Tannehill hits to WRs not named Wallace, I just know there has to be more despite the fact that I have watched every single game and do not recall them.

This ONE I recall. Opening week vs. the Browns. This ball travels precisely 40 yards from where it was thrown(+ the distance accounting for the area to the left). So where are these other deep throws Tannehill puts right in there?

You are the only poster who has answered this with PROOF. I have asked this before in a similar thread........ crickets.

It is not as if these games are being played in secret folks. The evidence is all on film for everyone to see. So lets see it. There are some incredible claims being thrown around with no evidence to back them.

On a cell so I cant post the video but Tannehill to Gibson during the Ravens game was a damn good throw as well.

 

[Mogwai]

I've defended Wallace, but I'll say that his unwillingness to practice deep balls with Tannehill because it's bad for his legs is such a terrible excuse that as much as I value what his speed can bring to a team, his head is obviously not in the right place.

On a side note, Tannehill has never displayed consistent deep ball accuracy on any level. That is what it is. Hopefully, it gets better, but it is absurd not to call him on what has been a pretty clear weakness. Every NFL QB will hit on a few deep balls, but it's the consistent ability to display accuracy with it that makes it a weapon.

 

[Roman529]

Wallace got the big money and shut it down.

 

[DolfanDuBbZ~]

Who cares if Wallace was a threat before he came to Miami... That doesn't prove anything.... that is such a lazy man's argument... Look at what he has done since he has gotten paid and came to Miami.
How many players have been good/great elsewhere and gotten here and done squat?
Are you going to blame Wheeler & Ellerbe on the Coaches? Please.....

The problem is we are paying him to be our#1 WR and he is barely a glorified #2.. barely. Going back to the point of my original post. the Deepball problems is not not RT its on Wallace......
CHubbs

Lazy man's argument? The retort is childish. Pointing to one year, 2012, to make a point is lazy. This is a guy who won Pitts Rookie of the year honors, had 2x 1000 yrd seasons, made a pro bowl and had scored at a decent clip prior to arriving in Miami. He was a proven commodity prior to being in Davie. You and the chattering class keep banging your drums. It won't change a single thing. Hey, start a petition.

 

[LoneStarPhin]

You're right it wont change anything. The fact is, this is a guy who either because he is lazy, or because he doesn't really care enough, or because he suddenly lost a good portion of his physical attributes, is way overpaid. A guy who will continue to be a drive-killer. Who is a BIG MISTAKE. And yeah, it won't change anything for at least one more year.

Hope Tannehill continues developing with Hartline and a few other deserving players.

 

[psfign]

Much of this discussion is based on last year as well. Obviously the team will not trade him.
But I can see some logic in doing so if the right player becomes available that can shore up our weak oline situation.
We are stacked with WR's. He is the highest paid. It is a good discussion to make. We would not miss Wallace one bit IMHO.

It's so odd that last year when we signed Wallace, we were so desperate for a starting WR. And in this short time, we are so overloaded with WRs, we would have been better off not signing him at all. lol It sucks we're stuck with this huge contract for such minimal return. Crazy to think where that money could have been spent elsewhere.

 

[Dsteve]

and the steelers let him walk. Antonio Brown was the better WR and their GM/coaches saw that. Ours didn't. Wallace is a straight bum. if not for his speed, he wouldn't be an NFL quality WR.