What young quarterback has succeeded….

[Marino2.0]

Two generational type quarterbacks, one succeeded behind a bad line and one didn’t.

If your point is that Tua is not as good as Andrew Luck, I agree. I do not think Justin Herbert or Joe Burrow are as good as Andrew Luck was, either. Luck would’ve been one of the best of all time if he stayed healthy and kept playing. Frankly if he wanted to come out of retirement, I’d take him right now.

 

[lurking]

If your point is that Tua is not as good as Andrew Luck, I agree. I do not think Justin Herbert or Joe Burrow are as good as Andrew Luck was, either. Luck would’ve been one of the best of all time if he stayed healthy and kept playing. Frankly if he wanted to come out of retirement, I’d take him right now.

No, my point was that if you’re a generational type quarterback you should at least make players around you look better. Not great but better. Teams don’t fear him, that’s a problem.

 

[canesz06]

With how many wins?

Not stats wins.

Teams are judged on wins. Individuals are judged on stats

 

[Sirspud]

No, my point was that if you’re a generational type quarterback you should at least make players around you look better. No great but better. Teams don’t fear him, that’s a problem.

Steve Young was a hall of fame QB who couldn't make Tampa Bay look better.

 

[Delvin]

Steve Young was a hall of fame QB who couldn't make Tampa Bay look better.

That's nice, but you know the odds are MASSIVELY against that. It's significantly more likely he's another one of the 100s of other QBs that didn't make their team better and then stayed bad. Basically, you are naming out the 1% and think it's somehow likely or probable. Probability wise is very much against him.

 

[canesz06]

If we can get Tua back to his 2018 (even in 2019 he was on pace to beat these numbers before injury) numbers in college we can win a lot of games. If not then we move on!

*2018	Alabama	SEC	SO	QB	15	245	355	Acc 69.0 %	3966 yds	AY/C 11.2	AY/AC 12.8	TD 43	Int 6

You're kidding, right? Do you watch or understand college football? Minus one or two teams that Bama played, they had light years more talent then any other team they played. EVERY Bama QB can put up numbers like that. A J McCarron, Greg McElroy, jajen hurts, tua and Mac Jones. None of them are doing squat in the NFL. Hurts and Jones are in the playoffs but they havent looked impressive. The QBs at Bama are good because of the superstar players that surround them

 

[lurking]

Steve Young was a hall of fame QB who couldn't make Tampa Bay look better.

I don’t recall him being labeled a generational type quarterback

 

[canesz06]

Duke Johnson in the Patriots game ran for 117 yards (another 40 from Lindsey). How'd Tua do in that game with a great running game? He had to do amazing, right? No? That's odd.

He had an amazing 110 yards passing and threw 2 passes right to new England defenders, hit them right in the hands but he got lucky and they dropped them

 

[Kamelion4291]

I evaluate Tua based on his skill set and how it meshes with the things a modern NFL QB is asked to do, how I evaluate every player.

I also don't hold Tua blameless for our offense, we are using a lot of his Alabama concepts offensively, so he's basically causing us to run a college offense. Or the staff didn't trust him to run a normal playbook, whatever the case is, the RPO will always be a short passing game offense for the most part. You can take chances, but by its very nature it's not built to exploit the deep intermediate and deep portions of the field in the NFL.

I'm willing to roll with Tua another year though with improvements to coaching and the offense.

I'm not saying he can't succeed, I'm just being honest in how I view his skill set.

You actually misunderstand the RPO offense in general. Tua can pull the handoff if the run lane isn't there and hold on to the ball to throw further down the field just fine. RPO doesn't always mean run or throw quick. The problem is that the line does not allow that as an actual option.

 

[NBP81]

You actually misunderstand the RPO offense in general. Tua can pull the handoff if the run lane isn't there and hold on to the ball to throw further down the field just fine. RPO doesn't always mean run or throw quick. The problem is that the line does not allow that as an actual option.

Actually Tua does have to throw it quick anyway because Jackson is running straight downfield for a flag.

 

[fansinceGWilson]

How so?

How does any QB do well with that oline?

Let me change the topic a minute. Let's take every QB taken R1 from the '14 to '19 draft. Let's further limit those QBs to those taken by teams with winning records the previous year.
In '16, Mahommes taken by KC, Lynch taken by DEN
In '17, Watson taken by Hou
In '18 Allen taken by BUF, Jackson taken by BALT
Anyone see a pattern here. By far, QBs taken by a winning team the prior year do well. It is possible those teams do a better job of evaluation, but that still requires the pick to be ignored by higher teams. It's also likely QBs perform better when there is already talent around them. It's also fair to say QBs taken top 5 (less talented teams) the the most part do not end up having stellar careers.
Thus, it seems fair to say those QBs surrounded by low talent struggle to succeed

 

[GhostArmOfMarino]

He had an amazing 110 yards passing and threw 2 passes right to new England defenders, hit them right in the hands but he got lucky and they dropped them

This.

Then people just say "well it wasn't intercepted though!"

And my response is "You are right, but Im grading his decision making and what he controls, not the result"

 

[Kamelion4291]

Mac Jones (ROOKIE) 2021 season stats:
3,801
22td
13int
92.5 rating

Tua Tagovailoa 2nd season( NOT ROOKIE)
2,653
16td
10int
90.1 rating

OK let excuses come now I’ve already got them all anticipated. There’s so many of them I’m not even going to bother typing them.


Mac Jones was sacked 28 times
Tua Tagovailoa sacked 20 times
New England must have a crappy line!

Oof, this is an embarrassing take.

Either Dunning-Kruger is not allowing you to see it, or you're trolling. Which one is worse?

 

[Yessir]

This you?

Good quarterbacking is innate.

"He needs another year of development" LOL. Please. Spare me that drivel. You either have it or you don't. Great quarterbacks are BORN, they are not developed. There are natural instincts, intangibles, and leadership qualities that come with it, and you can usually tell immediately when one...

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Yea, and Tua has the good traits. He’s won at every level. Including the NFL so far. You thought you had one with this, didn’t you?

And I definitely admit I was overly harsh and wrong on Tannehill. He has vindicated himself with Tennessee. Once he got away from Grier/Ross, he started flourishing.

 

[GhostArmOfMarino]

Yea, and Tua has the good traits. He’s won at every level. You thought you had one with this, didn’t you?

And I definitely admit I was overly harsh and wrong on Tannehill. He has vindicated himself with Tennessee. Once he got away from Grier/Ross, he started flourishing.

Tannehill was starting to flourish here before his injuries. It was clear when he came back with the brace he wasn't close to what he was directly before, but fans want to pretend his progression never happened here. It did, then it was massively derailed by multiple injuries.