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Who Would Your Non Qb Pick In The Draft Be At #13

LargoFin said:
Not a fan of any defensive player in first round, ever.
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Really?

There are plenty of examples of first round D players who have every bit as much impact on a team as offensive.

I still grit my teeth every time I remember the Fins trading down and passing on Earl Thomas.
 
ManDarino said:
Any chance Clelin Ferrel falls to 13?
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I've seen some rankings that have Brian Burns (6th O/A) as the #2 edge player behind Bosa. They have Ferrell at #11 overall. There's always a chance Ferrell could drop to us, depending on how many QB's and DT's go ahead of us....
 
cuzinvinny said:
The more I think about it the more I feel this is our draft to get our QB. Then saw your post and because of the IMO thoughtful and very sensible choices of OL DL or LB wondered your feelings and hesitation. If you don't think either one of those guys is good enough to be a potential franchise type QB well we just will disagree. But I do see and normally would be banging the doors down for that OL or DL or LB, White if there at 13...but,

1) looks very doable moving up to say Raiders 4th pick and get either Murray or Haskins (both worth the move ) and pretty much giving whatever is necessary 1-2 even 3...

2) No need to Tank 2019, start the build around the new guy...true our draft is seriously effected but IMO worth it.

3) 2020 Draft, all options open to us...

4) an extra year to develop the new QB

5) is that it looks to be very doable and finally have a foundation to build on...We don't know what our situation in 2020 will be and even if the QB's then are worth more than Murray or Haskins..

Again seeing your view, shows me much, like my usual way of moving forward, and rarely ever considering such a large move, actually see this as, yes costly Draft, but getting a guy we need desperately and striking while the Iron is hot...2020 is not even in sight.... 2019 here with IMO tremendous opportunity....

Interested to see your view and clarify things that maybe I missed in my so called insight ..
say one thing it would make watching us next year a whole lot more interesting though understanding we are going to be early development stage..
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Let's just say I believe the best teams have the best O and D lines. Brady didn't get touched on Sunday, like most Sundays. He didn't throw a difficult pass the entire first half that any QB in the league couldn't have completed. Add I mentioned in another post, Rogers, Ryan, Rothlisberger, etc... didn't make the playoffs. Do you think of if had one of those 3 we'd be better than the Patriots ? I'd say no even if Ryan Tannehill was the QB for the Patriots.

Great coaching and guys in the trenches matters most. Ask Andrew Luck after he was ragdolled the past few years and Indy invested in the best OL in the draft and added another decent lineman and he's gets sacked the fewest times in the NFL this year. It matters.
 
The Goat said:
Really?

There are plenty of examples of first round D players who have every bit as much impact on a team as offensive.

I still grit my teeth every time I remember the Fins trading down and passing on Earl Thomas.
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And JPP and Devin McCourty, not to mention the offensive talent we passed on between the 12th and 28th picks.
 
As things currently stand (still time for players at certain positions to strengthen their resumes), if Q. Williams, J. Williams, E. Oliver, J. Allen, and K. Murray are off the board, I'd be inclined to trade down and draft an IOL or CB. Think players from one of those positions emerges to present value. Again, with the caveat that some players could boost their stock, I'm just not seeing as much talent in 2019 that would make me say, 'If I pass on player x, there's a significant dropoff in talent.' In 2018, Derwin James and Marcus Davenport were available at that spot.
 
saw something interesting on ed oliver. Daniel jeremiah said most of his production came on slanted dlines. I didn't pick up on that on those player tapes
 
JRYCRL said:
Let's just say I believe the best teams have the best O and D lines. Brady didn't get touched on Sunday, like most Sundays. He didn't throw a difficult pass the entire first half that any QB in the league couldn't have completed. Add I mentioned in another post, Rogers, Ryan, Rothlisberger, etc... didn't make the playoffs. Do you think of if had one of those 3 we'd be better than the Patriots ? I'd say no even if Ryan Tannehill was the QB for the Patriots.

Great coaching and guys in the trenches matters most. Ask Andrew Luck after he was ragdolled the past few years and Indy invested in the best OL in the draft and added another decent lineman and he's gets sacked the fewest times in the NFL this year. It matters.
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There is no questioning the importance of the OL. The tremendous advantages of a great coach. And you can add onto that a great Defense, WR and RB's.. Luck getting ragdolled the last couple years was a colts bummer But its pretty damn nice to have a Luck there to build that functional OL around. Good teams MUST have good OL's and I wouldn't argue against that. But Good QB with the good OL are what give you the shot at being on a Patriots level.
Thing is if you have a shot at possibly grabbing that QB to build that OL around you've just cleared a HUGE obstacle, one that has ruined the hopes of so many teams since the NFL's conception.
We again got a shot at one of those potential gifted QB ( true Draftee and % of crap shot always) which we should jump all over pretty much no matter what to build that also critical OL around him... Both extremely essential elements but these gifted QB's that this year we have a opportunity to actually pick up should not be lost other wise we are just wasting our time as the last 20 years clearly shows...

Oh Brady Not throwing difficult passes, sorry I can not accept that interpretation the guy makes all the throws outrageously accurate and more astounding is the fact how quick he does it, not anything close to RT lol, and better than Rogers or Rothls, IMO.
 
hoops said:
Can you show me some examples of lost in zone. Cause I know I like this man carry coverage on these tapes of greedys and I like his feet and his ability stay attached. And I also really like how mucb vision he has on tbe football on the boundary in the stem or locating the ball late getting his head around.

And I don’t see 4.7 on this I see late 4.4s to mid 4.5s and I love the length.

Pretty sure this kids gonna be in my top 10 unless you show me something I’m not expecting. Some of the zone break downs I saw looked like they were other guys blowing assignments. And for his size I don’t see hip stiffness or cod hesitation. Which is rare

Tackling wise I’ve seen guys more aggressive to put their nose in there but he’s more than adequate for a boundary corner and might be in some regards saving himself physically for the pros.

Kinda reminds me of a more ball aware in tbe stem and better ball skills William Jackson the #1 corner in cinci. Although Jackson ran 4.39 I think and I’m not sure I see that kinda speed.

I think he has good feel for the ball and the man on the boundary and looks like good situational route recognition
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I will find some examples later on but from what I remember he looked unsure of what to do when multiple routes came into his area, but my main issue is he sinks way too deep on zones, comebacks are almost a guaranteed completion against him, I think it was the Florida or Ole Miss game. I agree on the on his speed being in the 4.4 to 4.5 range, I definitely don't think he will be a top 10 player.

Jackson ran 4.36.
 
Jerrysanders said:
I will find some examples later on but from what I remember he looked unsure of what to do when multiple routes came into his area, but my main issue is he sinks way too deep on zones, comebacks are almost a guaranteed completion against him, I think it was the Florida or Ole Miss game. I agree on the on his speed being in the 4.4 to 4.5 range, I definitely don't think he will be a top 10 player.

Jackson ran 4.36.
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yeah I agree with that. he does sink deep. I think it's coachable. I thought I saw some slow to close vs a tight set forcing him to drop off vs short crossing routes too. I think his physical size and game reminds me of Jackson minus the pure elite speed but with more consistent vision on the football. a little more polished.

when I get a chance I will post that texas a & m 7 ot tape. its pretty damn good even the td he gave up due to a slight hesitation maybe even a bait attempt I thought he closed well and was placed exactly where it had to be. and the pi at the very end was so bad I think the official that called it got fired after. like for real they fired him.
 
The highest rated DL and I wouldn’t blink twice- if they are gone- the highest rated CB.
 
hoops said:
yeah I agree with that. he does sink deep. I think it's coachable. I thought I saw some slow to close vs a tight set forcing him to drop off vs short crossing routes too. I think his physical size and game reminds me of Jackson minus the pure elite speed but with more consistent vision on the football. a little more polished.

when I get a chance I will post that texas a & m 7 ot tape. its pretty damn good even the td he gave up due to a slight hesitation maybe even a bait attempt I thought he closed well. and the pi at the very end was so bad I think the official that called it got fired after. like for real they fired him.
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His gambling style does seem to remind me of Jackson, also check the Alabama game, that Ruggs kid was whoopin him, and their freshmans gave him the business too.

His speed and fluidity is pretty good for his height.
 
Jerrysanders said:
His gambling style does seem to remind me of Jackson, also check the Alabama game, that Ruggs kid was whoopin him, and their freshmans gave him the business too.

His speed and fluidity is pretty good for his height.
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yeah that gambling style looks like bait to me. show you one thing and then drive on it ball in flight. but it might be more driven on vision on the ball then actual click and close high level tools. but I saw a few times him put his foot down and come forward and it was explosive and he caught a lb teammate who was probably 10 plus yards in front of him after an int once he turned and got to full gallop in no time. just escorted him in the end zone so I think that top end speed is better than some may expect.

im not seeing hip stiffness or real cod hesitation either which is pretty common with that size.
 
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