why not build around matt moore...

[DeathStar]

6-3 record? What are you talking about? He was 6-6 as a starter and 7-6 counting the SD game that he played most of.

Moore fans are delusional and are content with 8-8 mediocrity.

It's that simple.

At least I'm not wasting thousands of dollars on this pathetic franchise.

I hope these individuals aren't upset when no one goes to the games because Moore is our QB.

 

[LANGER72]

Hmmmm so why does Henne have over a Half yard more per completion? Henne was leading the league in 20 plus yard passes before getting hurt. He was also checking down way less. I would also say that anyone with 14 fumbles in 12 games should not be used in the same sentence as pocket presence. Also Moore on more than one occasion could have ran in for a TD and didn't because of his lack of pocket presence. Please don't look at this as a Henne support statement, it isn't. It is a Moore is simply not much if any better and definitely not in these aspects.

I see where you are coming from. The fumbles are a concern, but I am looking at that stat as an aberration because of the oline. He still has to take care of the ball though.
Henne averaged a half yard more than Moore, and most of that was from the New England game when he threw for over 400 yards. Take that game away, and it is not so good.
In every other category, Moore looks better. TD ration, completion percentage, etc, etc.
I would like a better QB,but Moore has done pretty good. Let's give him some more weapons, draft another QB to groom, and hope for the best.

 

[LANGER72]

He did regress in 10 after an impressive 5 game stint in 09. But putting that into proper perspective, Moore got concussed in his 1st game, sat out the next 2 and ended up 1-4 as a starter. Now you can say that's bad, but when you consider that Carolina won all of 2 whole games that year, for all intents and purposes, Moore was responsible for 50% of their wins while starting less than 32% of their games. In 2010, Carolina ranked 32nd in scoring, 32nd in pts differentiaql and 26th in points allowed, so you could put most any QB in there and label him a failure. Steve Smith had all of 554 yards on 46 receptions and DeAngelo and Steward combined for about 1150 yards together.

Now compare that to Cam Newton who worked with an upgraded roster this season. Do you know that after the first 10 games he was 1-9.. before he clicked in? And that's with upgraded defense, a fresh coach who wasn't going through the motions as a lame duck and 2 upgraded TEs!!

It's a buzz kill, isn't it when facts and context get in the way of a nice convenient narrative, eh?

Vaark....FYI...That was not my quote. Someone has edited the original post. Just to clarify.
I am taking enough flack already. I do not want my comments misconstrued.

 

[hoops]

jeesh...do i REALLY have to read anymore matt moore and cam newton stuff...i don't care if newton was 1-9 or not..wake the **** up people...he's 10 times the threat and playmaker that matt moore is

this **** is rediculous

 

[Kyndig]

So please elaborate a little here. Trade rest of our draft and next years as well to secure RG3 (we are not sniffing Luck) and "viola"... We are instant contenders next year without adddressing the rest of the numerous holes we have with TE/pass rusher/RG, etc... ??

Did you even watch the last 9 games of this past year?

Comical...

There is a good free agency class this year

 

[Vaark]

jeesh...do i REALLY have to read anymore matt moore and cam newton stuff...i don't care if newton was 1-9 or not..wake the **** up people...he's 10 times the threat and playmaker that matt moore is

this **** is rediculous

You're actually missing the point but also making it. No one is refuting that Cam is a phenom, threat and playmaker.. much more so than Moore, for sure but then again, also more so than most other QBs including Schaub, Ryan, Flacco and the rest of their 2nd and 3rd tier peers. No question.

However, if a superior playmaker and threat on a team with an HC who actually cares, upgraded TEs who aren't named Rosario, a healthy Smith, an upgraded defense only wins 1 game in the first 10 even with his superiority, from that context, it's a disservice to arbitrary dismiss Moore's 2010 for the worst team in the league that got even worse when he was on the bench.

And it's ****ing ridiculous with an "i" fwiw :idk:

 

[hoops]

You're actually missing the point but also making it. No one is refuting that Cam is a phenom, threat and playmaker.. much more so than Moore, for sure but then again, also more so than most other QBs including Schaub, Ryan, Flacco and the rest of their 2nd and 3rd tier peers. No question.

However, if a superior playmaker and threat on a team with an HC who actually cares, upgraded TEs who aren't named Rosario, a healthy Smith, an upgraded defense only wins 1 game in the first 10 even with his superiority, from that context, it's a disservice to arbitrary dismiss Moore's 2010 for the worst team in the league that got even worse when he was on the bench.

And it's ****ing ridiculous with an "i" fwiw :idk:

matt moores better than henne if thats what you're asking me...but its still not damn good enough...i hate telling you guys this but i'm absolutely freakin certain that guys not good enough unless you surround him with the 85 bears or 2000 ravens d...and even then i think he's prone to make mistakes in the clutch and take bad sacks...

if cam newton had come here and injected this franchise and team with life we would have won 3 more games easy with him alone...hell he would have maybe won 3 by himself...thats the kind of talent that kid is...

yeah we're right to proceed with matt moore as the starter going into next season barring upgrade but just know and i mean know that this team unless this d morphs into unstoppable isn't taking us anywhere...matt moores not that guy...you can look for the next kurt warner etc all you want but matt moore its not happening

 

[Vaark]

matt moores better than henne if thats what you're asking me...but its still not damn good enough...i hate telling you guys this but i'm absolutely freakin certain that guys not good enough unless you surround him with the 85 bears or 2000 ravens d...and even then i think he's prone to make mistakes in the clutch and take bad sacks...

if cam newton had come here and injected this franchise and team with life we would have won 3 more games easy with him alone...hell he would have maybe won 3 by himself...thats the kind of talent that kid is...

yeah we're right to proceed with matt moore as the starter going into next season barring upgrade but just know and i mean know that this team unless this d morphs into unstoppable isn't taking us anywhere...matt moores not that guy...you can look for the next kurt warner etc all you want but matt moore its not happening

You gotta admit that it's funny though how the Flynn boys cite Brady as a great example, not an anomaly of a late round backup making good but reject the Warner possibility as an anomaly when it comes to Moore. But then again, consistency has never been an FH benchmark.

 

[GRYPHONK]

You don't build around Moore.

You build the team. Moore gives you the ability to not panic and reach for a QB. If there is a QB in FA you get him and have the competition. If a QB falls to you you take him in the draft.

Build your team without panicing for a QB. If Moore progresses and becomes more consistant then Miami got a steal. If Miami brings in competition and they beat out Moore, then Theoretically Miami should be better then .500

But you don't panic and trade away future drafts fro RGIII and you don't pay a ridiculous contract to Flynn. Moore is good enough and if other areas are upgrades he can do some damage.

But as of now I wouldn't go into the offseason planning on Moore being the QB of the future, but he has the potential to be and there is no true URGENCY to overreach to get a QB.

 

[67Stang]

You gotta admit that it's funny though how the Flynn boys cite Brady as a great example, not an anomaly of a late round backup making good but reject the Warner possibility as an anomaly when it comes to Moore. But then again, consistency has never been an FH benchmark.

Warner came in and won a Superbowl, Matt Moore was .500 as a starter against a schedule with 1 team with a winning record. About the only comparison with Warner and Moore is they both happen to play QB.

 

[dlockz]

You gotta admit that it's funny though how the Flynn boys cite Brady as a great example, not an anomaly of a late round backup making good but reject the Warner possibility as an anomaly when it comes to Moore. But then again, consistency has never been an FH benchmark.

Well I dont think anyone can compare Moore to Warner , its not a good comparism. Moore has has bounced around the league been given chances with three teams and he may be ready to develop into a good qb but Kurt Warner was not drafted and did not make it out of training camp, no team even looked at him after that. He then played in the arena league for three years. he finally got signed by the Rams and they played him in NFL Europe. He was 3rd string qb for a year. The next year he was second string to Trent Green and Green was injured and the rest is history. I think Cameron Wake is more akin to a Kurt Warner story

 

[Vaark]

Warner came in and won a Superbowl, Matt Moore was .500 as a starter against a schedule with 1 team with a winning record. About the only comparison with Warner and Moore is they both happen to play QB.

you never railed on Henne throughout all his brainfarts and pick 6s.. yet when it comes to Moore you're OCD...why is that?

But just for grins over the last 9 games, both Moore and Matt Ryan went 6-3 and neither beat a winning team during that stretch. As a matter of fact Ryan lost to all 3 they faced. It is what it is.

 

[67Stang]

How delusional are people? I have seen a Moore comparison with Joe Montana and Kurt Warner in this thread....LMAO! Henne reminds me a lot of Marino! Ya, that is how funny it is!

 

[Vaark]

Well I dont think anyone can compare Moore to Warner , its not a good comparism. Moore has has bounced around the league been given chances with three teams and he may be ready to develop into a good qb but Kurt Warner was not drafted and did not make it out of training camp, no team even looked at him after that. He then played in the arena league for three years. he finally got signed by the Rams and they played him in NFL Europe. He was 3rd string qb for a year. The next year he was second string to Trent Green and Green was injured and the rest is history. I think Cameron Wake is more akin to a Kurt Warner story

I merely responded using Hoops example of a QB no one should expect Moore to become, in comparison to the Flynn fanboys pointing to late round, back up Brady more as an example of what Flynn can become than an exception. That was the context if you read it carefully.

 

[67Stang]

you never railed on Henne throughout all his brainfarts and pick 6s.. yet when it comes to Moore you're OCD...why is that?

But just for grins over the last 9 games, both Moore and Matt Ryan went 6-3 and neither beat a winning team during that stretch. As a matter of fact Ryan lost to all 3 they faced. It is what it is.

Here it is again, when you have nothing else fall back on the Henne thing. Sad and old. I have been saying the entire season I was wrong about Henne as a starter and now I see the same exact thing in Moore. I am tired of .500 or worse seasons regardless of who the QB is.....but if your argument for Moore includes anything to do with Henne, well that pretty much speaks for it self.