Baltimore is not NE, Bal does not win 12-13-14 games every year. NE has everything to do w/ not earning a bye, you know you are fighting for 2nd place w/ NE. They can be beat one game whether in the reg or postseason but over 16 games no team is better than NE.
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Baltimore is not NE, Bal does not win 12-13-14 games every year. NE has everything to do w/ not earning a bye, you know you are fighting for 2nd place w/ NE. They can be beat one game whether in the reg or postseason but over 16 games no team is better than NE.
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That has only been the case in 2 out of the last 4 seasons. Indy was the #1 seed in 2009 and Denver was the #1 seed this past year. The Jets have not challenged NE for the division because they don't have respectable regular season records. They won 11 games once in 4 seasons. That is not good enough to compete with NE. Bal and Pitt both won 12 games in 2010 and 2011. That would have been enough to compete with NE for a division title in 2009 and 2012. If the Jets were winning 12 games each year and NE was still winning 13 / 14, then you would have a point. But the Jets have been winning 9, 11 8, and 6 games a year. Maybe if the Jets were in the AFC West prior to Peyton coming to town, that might have been good enough for a division title.
NE would win any division, they are a great reg season team. That is an issue other teams don't have to deal w/(Buf and Miami would if they ever competed for postseason).
They'd probably get whooped by San Fran in the NFC West. There are some impressive defenses in that division...which, oh by the way, New England had a 1-3 record against this regular season.
11, 9, 12, 12, and 10 is nothing to sneeze at. Again, if the Jets are elite, they should be able to win the AFC East.
it's a different midset when you are actually in the division. They lost very close games in all 3 of those games.
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Again, NE won just 10 games in 2009 and 12 games this year. They win around 5 games every year just from the poor AFCE competition. If NE had to play 6 games against Bal, Pitt and Cincy, you think they could still win 5 out of 6? I think not. If the Jets were of the caliber that Pitt or Bal was, NE wouldn't be winning the AFCE every year.
they had nothing to play for in week 17 in 2009, if they did they win 11 games.
NE would win at least 4 of 6 against Pit, Bal and Cincy- at least. The jets were the caliber of Bal and itt in 2009 & 2010 and we split w/ NE.
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Bal had nothing to play for in week 17 this year, or else they would have won 11 games. Bal and Pitt having down years at 9-7 in 2009 doesn't mean the Jets are in their league. Bal and Pitt went 12-4 the next two years after that while the Jets won 11 and 8 games. I'm not sure why you can't understand that the reason NE wins the AFCE is because there is no one else in the division to compete with them. If the Jets could win 12 games like the Raven and Steelers, they would be competing for division titles just like the Ravens and Steelers compete with each other.
Bal should have beaten NE (in NE) in the AFCC game last year, and they beat them this year twice. That is 1-2 record against Bal in the last 3 games. NE is 1-1 against Pitt the last 4 years. That makes NE a total of 2-3 in the last 5 games against Pitt and Bal.
maybe, maybe not. Cincy was playing much better later in the year and they could have beaten baltimore if both were trying.
The Jets were 11-5 in 2010 and beat Pitt in the reg season while losing to Bal by a single point, we then lost a close game in the championship game on the road. Obviously we were in their league.
Bal won a squeaker this year vs. NE in their fist EVER regular season win vs. NE. In the reg season since 2009 NE is 3-1 against Baltimore and 1-1 against Pitt. In the Big ben era in the reg season NE w/ Brady is 4-2 against Pitt.
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So Bal can beat NE in NE, but they might not have beaten Cincy (the team they beat 44-17 earlier) in week 17 if both teams were trying?
The Jets won 11 games once in 4 seasons. That is not in the league of Bal and Pitt.
NE is 2-1 against Bal in the regular season since 2009, not 3-1. NE won 2 close games themselves against Bal. They won by 6 points in 2009 before getting humiliated by Bal in the playoffs 33-14. NE won by 3 in 2010, and won the AFCC game by 3 in 2011. Bal won a close one in the regular season but beat NE up in the AFCC game. Including the playoff games NE and Bal are 3-3 since 2009. Since 2004, NE is 4-3 against Pitt.
In the Big Ben era, Pitt has 2 Super Bowl wins. NE has one in Ben's rookie year. Doesn't that make them better according to you? Or is it just more playoff wins that result in nothing that count?
So Bal can beat NE in NE, but they might not have beaten Cincy (the team they beat 44-17 earlier) in week 17 if both teams were trying?
The Jets won 11 games once in 4 seasons. That is not in the league of Bal and Pitt.
NE is 2-1 against Bal in the regular season since 2009, not 3-1. NE won 2 close games themselves against Bal. They won by 6 points in 2009 before getting humiliated by Bal in the playoffs 33-14. NE won by 3 in 2010, and won the AFCC game by 3 in 2011. Bal won a close one in the regular season but beat NE up in the AFCC game. Including the playoff games NE and Bal are 3-3 since 2009. Since 2004, NE is 4-3 against Pitt.
In the Big Ben era, Pitt has 2 Super Bowl wins. NE has one in Ben's rookie year. Doesn't that make them better according to you? Or is it just more playoff wins that result in nothing that count?
where did I say they couldn't beat Cincy? I said it wasn't a sure thing. They started playing well the week before w/ the thrashing of the Giants so they likely continue and beat Cincy but we don't know.
They have twice as many playoff wins as Pitt, more than NE and are 2nd behind Baltimore. In that 2 year stretch they had as many as Bal & Pitt combined so yes we were in the league of Bal & Pitt, now just in the league w/ Pitt and playoff-less teams.
Sorry, I confused the playoff game so they are 2-1- that's 67%, right?
we were talking about Pitt vs. NE head to head, right? the point was about winning in the reg season. Nice try though.
The fact of the matter is that since 09, the jest are 1-3 combined vs Baltimore and Pittsburgh. Say what you want about neither team being as successful if playing in the same division as NE, an even stronger case can be made that the Jest if playing in the AFC North, competing against those 2 teams instead of MIA and Buff, would never have sniffed the WC, either legitimately or even as gift-wrapped charity! Those 2 teams with Cinci occasionally playing well is a much more formidable division than the AFCE, even if Brady never went down and spent a season on shaky, gunshy sea legs winning less games than he did the year before or the next 2 years after.
