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Glazer: Jets getting turned down for GM job, begging them them reconsider

nyjunc said:
they missed the playoffs though, right? that's the key word.

They made 2 of the last 4 postseasons and won 2 playoff games, the Jets made 2 of the last 4 postseasons and won 4 playoff games.

Bal has moved to another level w/ the win yesterday, I think they are now THE elite team in the AFC since 2008 but they would have been elite win or lose yesterday.
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No, I don't think it is. You have to keep in mind that Pitt won the Super Bow just the year before they missed the playoffs in 09. They had the same amount of wins (9) as the Jets did in their 09 season. They followed up that non playoff season in 09 with a 12-4 season and another trip to the Super Bowl. They went 12-4 again in 11 and lost in the WC to Den before missing the playoffs this year at 8-8. That is a lot different than having a 9-7 season with 2 playoff wins, and an 11-5 season with 2 playoff wins followed by 8-8 and 6-10 seasons.

Pitt has proven over the years that they are consistently one of the best teams. They have been to 3 Super Bowls (2 wins) in the last 7 seasons. They have been to 2 Super Bowls (1 win) in the last 5 seasons. Trying to compare them to the Jets based on playoff apps and wins in the last 4 years is just silly.
 
In 09, Pittsburgh got their 9 wins the old fashioned way - they earned them; not having them gift wrapped because their opponents considered playing them to be "meaningless games." A strong argument can be advance there's a huge difference there - especially when you consider that in game 14 at home, vs Atlanta, already counted out, the jest lost that game 10-7 where Buttchez typically rose to the occasion by throwing 1TD and 3 Ints. Sorry, those 2 seasonal experiences were nowhere near comparable :idk:
 
The New Guy said:
No, I don't think it is. You have to keep in mind that Pitt won the Super Bow just the year before they missed the playoffs in 09. They had the same amount of wins (9) as the Jets did in their 09 season. They followed up that non playoff season in 09 with a 12-4 season and another trip to the Super Bowl. They went 12-4 again in 11 and lost in the WC to Den before missing the playoffs this year at 8-8. That is a lot different than having a 9-7 season with 2 playoff wins, and an 11-5 season with 2 playoff wins followed by 8-8 and 6-10 seasons.

Pitt has proven over the years that they are consistently one of the best teams. They have been to 3 Super Bowls (2 wins) in the last 7 seasons. They have been to 2 Super Bowls (1 win) in the last 5 seasons. Trying to compare them to the Jets based on playoff apps and wins in the last 4 years is just silly.
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If you include 2008 they are ahead but in the last 4 years we both have 2 playoff apps but we have twice as many playoff wins. They also lost to an 8-8 team in the WC rd in 2010.

expanding it to 08 or 05? yeah they are ahead of us but just the last 4? nope.

Only Baltimore has more playoff wins since 2009.
 
nyjunc said:
If you include 2008 they are ahead but in the last 4 years we both have 2 playoff apps but we have twice as many playoff wins. They also lost to an 8-8 team in the WC rd in 2010.

expanding it to 08 or 05? yeah they are ahead of us but just the last 4? nope.

Only Baltimore has more playoff wins since 2009.
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I'm not talking about playoff wins or apps alone. You always talk about stats not telling the full story, until it is a story that you want to tell. Pitt may not have more playoff wins in the last 4 years, but Pitt has been a much better team. The Jets 2 year window with 4 playoff wins means little when they didn't win anything meaningful and followed up those 2 years with 8-8 and 6-10 seasons. Pitt proved they were the better team with their 12-4 season in 2010 when they beat the Jets in the AFCC game and actually made it to another Super Bowl. They also proved it with another 12-4 record in 2011. You can make fun of the loss to 8-8 Denver, but the Jets didn't make the playoffs that year and lost to Den in the regular season. Pitt has had a down year here and there (9-7 in 2009 and 8-8 in 2012), but the Jets have had down years 3 out of 4 seasons. (9-7 in 2009, 8-8 in 2011, and 6-10 in 2012)

You can't seriously think that the Jets were better than Pitt in the last 4 years.
 
The New Guy said:
I'm not talking about playoff wins or apps alone. You always talk about stats not telling the full story, until it is a story that you want to tell. Pitt may not have more playoff wins in the last 4 years, but Pitt has been a much better team. The Jets 2 year window with 4 playoff wins means little when they didn't win anything meaningful and followed up those 2 years with 8-8 and 6-10 seasons. Pitt proved they were the better team with their 12-4 season in 2010 when they beat the Jets in the AFCC game and actually made it to another Super Bowl. They also proved it with another 12-4 record in 2011. You can make fun of the loss to 8-8 Denver, but the Jets didn't make the playoffs that year and lost to Den in the regular season. Pitt has had a down year here and there (9-7 in 2009 and 8-8 in 2012), but the Jets have had down years 3 out of 4 seasons. (9-7 in 2009, 8-8 in 2011, and 6-10 in 2012)

You can't seriously think that the Jets were better than Pitt in the last 4 years.
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Our 2 year run we won 4 playoff games, their 2 year run they won 2. They don't have to deal w/ NE in their division or they would have been a WC team both years too.
 
nyjunc said:
Our 2 year run we won 4 playoff games, their 2 year run they won 2. They don't have to deal w/ NE in their division or they would have been a WC team both years too.
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You can use playoff wins all you want, but Pitt had a bye week in 2010 and that counts for something. The Jets were a WC team both years (9-7 and 11-5 compared to Pitt 12-4 times 2) and played in 6 playoff games with no Super Bowl app. The Jets 2 year run ended with nothing. Pitt played in 4 playoff games including the Super Bowl. This is what I find funny, you talk up the Jets AFCC game losses and try to argue that the Jets are better because of 2 more playoff wins. The Steelers actually won an AFCC game and played in a Super Bowl in the last 4 years. You always talk down NE's division titles in 2009 and 2010 saying what would they prefer a division title or the Jets playoff wins. Pitt has better regular season records and a trip to the Super Bowl. Which would you prefer? 2 more meaningless playoff wins, or playing in the Super Bowl?

Pitt is NE of the AFC North. They have to deal with Bal, which is a lot tougher than what NE has to deal with in the AFCE.
 
Pitt had a bye week b/c they don't have NE in their division, if they did they would be a WC team.
 
Woulda's and Coulda's but only when convenient.

Fact: as proven in the game the Colts starters were actually trying to win:

If the Colts played their starters in game 15, the jest would have been home in front of the big screens watching the postseason.

No one in the ACFE comes close to the caliber of rivalry between the Ravens and Steelers. You can maybe make a case that NE is a notch above either, and maybe not if you consider the 3 teams they feast off, but of those 3, none come close to either Pittsburgh or Baltimore so the level of competition and success is elevated over the AFC East.

 
PhinzN703 said:
How can it be that the elite Jets can't finish ahead of New England in the division?
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NE is too good over 16 games, we are the only annaul playoff contender that has to play for the WC every year b/c of it.
 
nyjunc said:
NE is too good over 16 games, we are the only annaul playoff contender that has to play for the WC every year b/c of it.
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But you're elite. Elite doesn't mean being incapable of overcoming NE. You aren't annually contending anything. You're 14-18 the last two years.
 
nyjunc said:
Pitt had a bye week b/c they don't have NE in their division, if they did they would be a WC team.
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Pitt had a bye week because they did something the Jets have only done once in franchise history. Win 12 games. NE only won 10 games in 2009, and 12 games in 2012. If the Jets were better than Pitt, they would have been able to win the division in either of those seasons. Pitt won 12 games in 2010 and 2011. Bal also won 12 games in 2010 and 2011.

Ravens in 4 seasons = 43-21 ----- 2 AFCC games and 1 Super Bowl app
Steelers in 4 seasons = 41-23 ----- 1 AFCC game and 1 Super Bowl app
Jets in 4 seasons = 34 -30 -----2 AFCC games and no Super Bowl app
 
The New Guy said:
Pitt had a bye week because they did something the Jets have only done once in franchise history. Win 12 games. NE only won 10 games in 2009, and 12 games in 2012. If the Jets were better than Pitt, they would have been able to win the division in either of those seasons. Pitt won 12 games in 2010 and 2011. Bal also won 12 games in 2010 and 2011.

Ravens in 4 seasons = 43-21 ----- 2 AFCC games and 1 Super Bowl app
Steelers in 4 seasons = 41-23 ----- 1 AFCC game and 1 Super Bowl app
Jets in 4 seasons = 34 -30 -----2 AFCC games and no Super Bowl app
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they had a bye week b/c they don't have to deal with the Pats. if Ne was in their division they wouldn't have won 12 games and wouldn't have won a div title.

all 3 are elite.
 
nyjunc said:
they had a bye week b/c they don't have to deal with the Pats. if Ne was in their division they wouldn't have won 12 games and wouldn't have won a div title.

all 3 are elite.
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Yet the elite Jets can't beat the elite Ravens or the elite Pats. Weird.
 
nyjunc said:
they had a bye week b/c they don't have to deal with the Pats. if Ne was in their division they wouldn't have won 12 games and wouldn't have won a div title.

all 3 are elite.
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They have to deal with Bal. 1 team in the division has very little to do with earning a bye. You know division opponents only play each other 2 times a season right? The reason Pitt got a bye was because they won 12 games. They won 12 games in a season where the other division opponent (Ravens) won 12 games as well. They split with the Ravens and still won 12 games. The Ravens swept the Steelers in 2011 and Pitt still won 12 games. The Jets split with NE and only won 9 games in 2009. The Jets spit with NE and only won 11 games in 2010. The Jets are not a good enough team to win 12 games in a season. If they were, they would challenge NE for the division title and have a good shot at a bye.
 
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