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Jarvis Landry says he wants to play for Dolphins next season, but

Danny said:
It's funny but most people on this board have said that Suh should have never gotten that contract(and they're right) because you don't pay a DT that kind of money but now we have most of the board(not all) saying that we should over pay for a slot WR which imo is wrong......I repeat, MY OPINION and I don't need anyone to agree with me cause in the end it's not up to any of us what they do with Landry but here's my reason why I wouldn't over pay for him or ANY slot WR.

When you run your offense thru a slot WR like we pretty much have done, most of the time you need drive that are 10, 12, 14 plays drives in order to score. Why is that a bad thing? Because too many things can go wrong when you need that many plays. Yes it helps the defense rest when you go that many plays IF you actually score. The problem is that this offense has nor score enough points and imo the reason is simple. You try running that many plays on a drive and most of the time something is bound to go wrong. A dropped, a bad pass, an INT, a fumble, a missed block, a sack or a penalty. The more plays you run, the more chances for something to go wrong. When you run a high scoring offense you need big chunk plays and that doesn't happen often by throwing 5 yard passes to your slot WR.

Now I know some of you will say that I hate Landry and how crazy I am wanting him gone. I don't want him gone at all. I just want us to run a better offense which won't happen if he's the number 1 target. Some will say we didn't score enough this year because of Cutler and I agree he's a big part of the problem but we haven't have a high scoring offense in years and years and it's time they change the way they do things because what they have done is not working. All this BS about "pay the man" and "you have to keep your own".....look at the contracts they gave away to "keep our own" this past off season. Did that work?

I have nothing personal against him and hope he's back but the price has to be right. For those of you saying "pay the man", how much should they pay him? 15mill? 16mill? 20mill? That statement makes no sense. You can't say just pay the man without having a limit and if there's a limit then what is that limit?

Over paying for Suh was a big mistakes that has gotten us nothing and over paying for Landry would be the same mistake once again

All of that is my opinion and I know most of you don't agree but I'm waiting to hear what is the limit as to how much we should "pay the man"

Ozzy rules!!
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Best post of the thread so far, I 100% agree with u, 1st and 2nd success ( how often u get 1st downs on 1st and 2nd down) is a key stat to successful offenses, chunk plays are very important. The thing is Landry is not even being used like a standard slot ( Fitzgerald) we use him more like Ty Montgomery from green bay, Landry has his fair share of screens and plays where he's coming out the backfield, his avg depth per target is shorter than every single slot WRs and shorter than the majority of NFL RBs - his production this year has been heavily scheme driven- ( even though I think Landry runs good slot routes and u don't have to scheme for him that much) are we really going to pay a player 14 to 15 million that averages 8.7 a catch ?
 
Danny said:
It's funny but most people on this board have said that Suh should have never gotten that contract(and they're right) because you don't pay a DT that kind of money but now we have most of the board(not all) saying that we should over pay for a slot WR which imo is wrong......I repeat, MY OPINION and I don't need anyone to agree with me cause in the end it's not up to any of us what they do with Landry but here's my reason why I wouldn't over pay for him or ANY slot WR.

When you run your offense thru a slot WR like we pretty much have done, most of the time you need drive that are 10, 12, 14 plays drives in order to score. Why is that a bad thing? Because too many things can go wrong when you need that many plays. Yes it helps the defense rest when you go that many plays IF you actually score. The problem is that this offense has nor score enough points and imo the reason is simple. You try running that many plays on a drive and most of the time something is bound to go wrong. A dropped, a bad pass, an INT, a fumble, a missed block, a sack or a penalty. The more plays you run, the more chances for something to go wrong. When you run a high scoring offense you need big chunk plays and that doesn't happen often by throwing 5 yard passes to your slot WR.

Now I know some of you will say that I hate Landry and how crazy I am wanting him gone. I don't want him gone at all. I just want us to run a better offense which won't happen if he's the number 1 target. Some will say we didn't score enough this year because of Cutler and I agree he's a big part of the problem but we haven't have a high scoring offense in years and years and it's time they change the way they do things because what they have done is not working. All this BS about "pay the man" and "you have to keep your own".....look at the contracts they gave away to "keep our own" this past off season. Did that work?

I have nothing personal against him and hope he's back but the price has to be right. For those of you saying "pay the man", how much should they pay him? 15mill? 16mill? 20mill? That statement makes no sense. You can't say just pay the man without having a limit and if there's a limit then what is that limit?

Over paying for Suh was a big mistakes that has gotten us nothing and over paying for Landry would be the same mistake once again

All of that is my opinion and I know most of you don't agree but I'm waiting to hear what is the limit as to how much we should "pay the man"

Ozzy rules!!
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It was a great post. We need players who scare teams. Landry annoys teams. Since I've been on this site perhaps the most shocking aspect is how much we over value our own players. I think Larry Chester was the first example I ran into here. I was in disbelief. Watch the college bowl games and try to find any of them without a special wide receiver, or several. The position is stacked. I think it would be startling how well our offense would function without Landry. Do you really think Gase is going to give up on those sideways plays just because Tannehill returns? We'll abuse them at the wrong time and they'll be smothered. But find someone who can run those plays as well as being a threat downfield, and now you've got something. The dangerous permutations explode. Heck, we've got a kid who can do it right now in Grant. Imagine designing something underneath for him, and suddenly it's a pump fake and take off. If Tannehill is as good as the team wants to believe, then he'll actually benefit from an additional receiver who can run effective routes at every level, whether it's Grant or someone else. Keeping Landry is almost a concession to fear...hey, we really can't think of anything else, or execute anything else, besides little throws to our jittery little tough guy.

We have a roster in which late season we're wondering if anyone will be considered for the Pro Bowl. Yet there's dire need to resign certain guys. It's comical on the face of it. Don't listen to the types who insist everything is swell and we simply need more time. That is a sucker mentality. Yes it can happen but the odds of it unfolding that way are exceptionally low.

No reason to blow everything up. But the best players need to be great players. I get sick of the regulating nature of pretend mode, where the Dolphins have been for so long.
 
Sarnics13 said:
No you're right, I'm all for people getting as much as they can. I don't begrudge anyone making a lot of money. I would do it to if i was in the league. It's stupid that people get played that for playing a game but someone's giving out to them so might as well take it.
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That's our fault, really. We love the game (all games, really) and we pay absurd amounts for it. Ticket sales have gone down, but revenue sure hasn't, and that's what matters the most. Probably a discussion for another thread. In regards to this one, I don't mind the ones most responsible for the game's popularity getting a bigger chunk of the profits than they used to. NFL players still manage to be vastly underpaid compared to other leagues, though that has more to do with the number of players, I believe. I read somewhere that something like 7% of high school football players make it to NCAA, then only about 2% of them make it to the NFL, very few making it longer than a year (wish I could find that graphic).

The entertainment industry pays. On the bright side, I feel a hell of a lot better about money going to people that put in an insane amount of work to get to the top (pro athletes) than I do about reality TV stars who make crazy amounts of money just because of a shitty porno they once made.
 
I’m not so sure that I think the offense ran thru Landry this year. It started out running thru Ajayi and once he left I think it became more balanced. Although in the red zone there was some scheme driven primary looks for juice and Julius Thomas
 
Danny said:
It's funny but most people on this board have said that Suh should have never gotten that contract(and they're right) because you don't pay a DT that kind of money but now we have most of the board(not all) saying that we should over pay for a slot WR which imo is wrong......I repeat, MY OPINION and I don't need anyone to agree with me cause in the end it's not up to any of us what they do with Landry but here's my reason why I wouldn't over pay for him or ANY slot WR.

When you run your offense thru a slot WR like we pretty much have done, most of the time you need drive that are 10, 12, 14 plays drives in order to score. Why is that a bad thing? Because too many things can go wrong when you need that many plays. Yes it helps the defense rest when you go that many plays IF you actually score. The problem is that this offense has nor score enough points and imo the reason is simple. You try running that many plays on a drive and most of the time something is bound to go wrong. A dropped, a bad pass, an INT, a fumble, a missed block, a sack or a penalty. The more plays you run, the more chances for something to go wrong. When you run a high scoring offense you need big chunk plays and that doesn't happen often by throwing 5 yard passes to your slot WR.

Now I know some of you will say that I hate Landry and how crazy I am wanting him gone. I don't want him gone at all. I just want us to run a better offense which won't happen if he's the number 1 target. Some will say we didn't score enough this year because of Cutler and I agree he's a big part of the problem but we haven't have a high scoring offense in years and years and it's time they change the way they do things because what they have done is not working. All this BS about "pay the man" and "you have to keep your own".....look at the contracts they gave away to "keep our own" this past off season. Did that work?

I have nothing personal against him and hope he's back but the price has to be right. For those of you saying "pay the man", how much should they pay him? 15mill? 16mill? 20mill? That statement makes no sense. You can't say just pay the man without having a limit and if there's a limit then what is that limit?

Over paying for Suh was a big mistakes that has gotten us nothing and over paying for Landry would be the same mistake once again

All of that is my opinion and I know most of you don't agree but I'm waiting to hear what is the limit as to how much we should "pay the man"

Ozzy rules!!
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Speak for yourself. I'm perfectly fine with paying a top DT in the league top DT money. I'm not okay with doing nothing with the defense after him. I believe it's the Indy Andrew Luck approach to shitty team building. Not really applicable in this situation, as Landry isn't a top WR and he shouldn't be paid as such. If another team opts to, more power to them. Probably Tbum's new team (hopefully).
 
Davante Adams got extended today. 4 year 58 million deal. He has less catches and yards but 2 more TDs than Landry for what it’s worth.
 
DeVante Adams new deal is now the benchmark for Jarvis Landry. Landry is the better player, done more with a lesser QB. Although Adams is a favorite of mine.
 
I don't think Landry stays in Miami unless he’s willing to take less than what he can get on the open market. That Davante Adams deal most likely results in Juice moving on.
 
Maybe Landry will take a little less to stay in Miami. Up to this point he has been a franchise first kind of player. Miami can still pay him by giving him more guaranteed money which would lessen his cap money. Last offseason I thought Miami would get in a financial pickle if they chose to pay Stills. No way Miami can pay two, let alone three, players at the WR position. If they pay Landry there's no way they keep Parker after the 2018 season. IMO Miami's plan was to pay Stills and try to trade Landry but as the season went on it became obvious Landry has more value (combo of on and off field). Now Miami has a problem. As I mentioned Miami could keep Landry. One way would be to give him more guaranteed money lessening his cap money. Another way would be to structure his contract in a way that has a small value against the cap while Miami pays Stills but then bumps his pay after Stills leaves.
 
I wish the Dolphins could evaluate and sign our talent prior to them hitting FA. Throw them some cash while they are on crappy rookie deals and you get a discount.
 
Gonzo said:
Speak for yourself. I'm perfectly fine with paying a top DT in the league top DT money. I'm not okay with doing nothing with the defense after him. I believe it's the Indy Andrew Luck approach to ****ty team building. Not really applicable in this situation, as Landry isn't a top WR and he shouldn't be paid as such. If another team opts to, more power to them. Probably Tbum's new team (hopefully).
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That's the point I was trying to make about Landry. We should not break the bank for him and as far as Suh, if you're fine with making him the highest paid defender in the NFL then fine but I don't think that's how you build a good defense. You pay the most money to the guys that get to the QB's and that's not the DT's

Ozzy rules!!
 
Danny said:
That's the point I was trying to make about Landry. We should not break the bank for him and as far as Suh, if you're fine with making him the highest paid defender in the NFL then fine but I don't think that's how you build a good defense. You pay the most money to the guys that get to the QB's and that's not the DT's

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Maybe the FO (or Ross) envisioned Suh getting to the QB as often as their DE's. Just hasn't turned out that way.
 
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