TheRevoltingBlob
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Shorter QBs like Murray and Wilson also struggle over the middle. Not saying he can’t overcome it, but it’s a concern until proven otherwise.
2021: Was Tua better than Lamar Jackson?; Chargers Herbert NOT a Top-3 QB
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RockULikeAHurricane
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Justin Herbert is 2nd QB to lead a team with a bottom 3 defense to a winning record since 2000. Saying that the Chargers haven’t won many games because of him is completely ignorant of what he actually manages to do with that team. The only reason they are ever in games IS because of Herbert. With no Herbert that team is picking in the top 3 this past draft.
This will be the first season since he was a sophomore (?) that he’ll run the same offense in back-to-back seasons, which is wild to think about. He may not be a top 5 qb right now but he has all the makings of one.
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Wake us all up when Lamar Jackson comes anywhere close to repeating that MVP season now that the playbook is out on him. Hell, Kaepernick had an MVP half of a season and helped lead SF to a SB when nobody knew how to defend him and the read option. Then with an offseason of film to digest, it was all down hill from there.
Also, wake me up when cover 0 works against Tua Tagovailoa play after play as it does against Lamar Jackson. SMH.
Lastly, Jackson may be more “accomplished” and has played on better teams, but that in no way makes him a better QB today. Dude has thrown for over 3K yards ONCE in his career and has more than twice the amount of starts that Tua has.
Lamar is a great athlete, no doubt, and the Ravens have been a pillar of success as a team for decades now. But if you truly are under the delusion that Lamar Jackson is better at reading defenses and slinging the football than Tua Tagovailoa there’s no helping you. You handle is kinda a dead giveaway that‘s the case.
I mean... I litterally said in my post that the Chargers are at fault for not winning as many games as they could with Herbert...
And BTW... Tua has yet to have the same OC in back to back years too, and its not happening this year either...
Let’s be honest. The only people that don’t put Herbert in the top 5 category are us Dolphin fans that are desperate to justify taking Tua over him. It’s almost a consensus among all experts that Herbert is one of the most exciting and talented QBs in the NFL right now.
Let’s just hope that Tua takes the leap and earns a place into the conversation with Herbert this year.
TD% 8th
INT%(highest better) 17th
Comp% 18th
YPA 10th
rating 11th
Pass Attempts 2nd
Regardless of what you think about Tua... Herbert isnt top 5.
Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady , Allen, Herbert, Burrow. He’s definitely Tier One.
I like Tua but I would put him in Tier 3 right now with QBs like Prescott, Cousins, And Carr. Not bad company to be in.
RockULikeAHurricane
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Advanced metrics such as QBR, DVOA, and PFF grades (I know, I know) argue that he is — or at the very least he is in that conversation. Out of respect, I can’t place him above guys like Rodgers and Brady, but through two seasons he is on a trajectory like no other.
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Has nothing to due with Tua. Many people at the Draft had concerns about Herbert in big situations. Those experts are probably ESPN and other major media. They sell fantasy football and highlights. Again look back at his draft profile. Heck the year before he was the #1 QB and came back to school. Heck if you want to bring Tua into do you realize Tua actually has a better Passer rating in 2nd half over their careers.
Anyway Herbert is an athletic phenomenon that needs to still learn how to perform in the clutch(maybe he will Mayne he won't) but as of now he is like another SD QB (Rivers). Great numbers fantasy FB fans love yet never win as much as the numbers say. Tarzan in the first half Jane in the second. Go watch him play an actual whole game like 10 times. He crumples late in close games. Maybe that will change but until then he doesn't sniff top five the NFL. Hype (media) and Fantasy FB sure he is top 5.
Who's talking about Tua? Regardless of what you think about Tua, Herbert is not a top 5 QB right now... And its not his fault the Chargers have been trying to win the we got a great QB award instead of trying to win games ever since Philip Rivers...
But let that sink in... The Chargers are using Herbert as if he were a top 5 QB and are losing games because he isnt... The total stats are irrelevant outside of the scope of fantasy football and their passing game isnt efficient enough for them to be 2nd in pass attempts and win enough games to win anything relevant in actual NFL games. Totals are useless if not backed up by efficiency.
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If I am not mistaken he only said Herbert isn't top 5. Why do you feel the need to mention Tua when arguing his statement about Herbert only? Fact of the matter is, Herbert didn't show me he can handle pressure as well as Burrow can. BURROW IS THE REAL DEAL!!! ice in his veins. I sure hope Tua can get there too we will see for sure.
Last time i checked Tua beat him
Tua also beat Mac and cheese twice
You're talking to a guy who knows a thing or 2 about football metrics... While the metrics you're stating are useful in their own rights, they use a **** ton of variables that make them pretty unstable in a 2 seasons timeframe. I have no problem saying Herbert is a top 10 QB right now, and he might be in the conversation for top 5 if the Chargers werent putting him in this situation, but they have and he isnt.
Give our guy a chance