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Mistakes happen.
And Brown had a better YPC and more yards per game. What's your point?
Chad led
Tom Brady's numbers are far superior to Chad's. The Pats have won three SBs. I'm not sure why you'd want to make that comparison. That clearly shows that Pennington is nowhere near an elite QB.
So was Ryan Leaf.
From a USAToday article:
This is my favorite part of the article. Not since Shula have we had a coach who's philosophy is to maximize the talent he has rather than force fit players into their "system". He was able to develop one of the best offenses in the league without much help from the WR position. SD developed young o-lines and made things work.
OOOhhhhhhhh it was the defense:rolleyes2 so i202 wen the Jets wre 14th in points allowed and 24th overall it was the defense? In 2006 when the D was 18th overall it was the defense?
did you notice how much better miny's D wasBEFORE Daune became starting QB in 1999 and AFTER he got hurt in 2005? It wasn't a coincidence, his awful TO's killed his Ds.
As for Green, in '05 KC gave up LES points than the jets '02D- hy couldn't he lead them o the playoffs? and he was handed a 1-3 hole to dig out of either.
If it's the backup QBs on the Jets who sucked that made our record w/o him so poor then what was it in Minny where Minny was BETTER when daunte was hurt?
The job of the QB is to win. scoring points is great but when are you scoring them? daunte would put up 40 on the Lions but when he was in a big game he'd wilt. Chad is BY FAR the better QB than daunte and that's whether Daunte is healthy or not.
Neither of those QBs are elite when healthy. They are etter FANTASY QBs than Chad but Chad is a better REAL QB. 2 PO appeaances in Minny / such a weak div and conf? ZERO playoff wins for Green when he has playe on a bunch of very talented teams? come on.
In those "elite" seasons one of the QBs led histeam to an 8-8 record in a pathetic div and conf and the other missd the playoffs w/ a 7-9 record. Maybe elite FANTASY QBs but NEVER elite REAL QBs- not even close.
Not all but most, 39 TDs and 11 INts is great BUT what did he do / the eason on the line at 5-10 washington? he led them to 10 points in the competitive portion of the game and a loss just like the year before where against 3-12 Arzona who was giving up 33/gm for 8 weeks he le his team to 17 points nd they lost and missed the playoffs.
Chad didn't kill the jets w/awful TOs last year, so he had 5 more INts but the weren't as bad as Daunte's. We had an awful D the first half of the year and no running game- Chad kept us in the hunt until the D started playing well. Chad also playe in a tougher div and conf. I don't care how bad the Minny D wa in 2004 if you are a great Qb w/ that offensive talent you win more than 8 games in that div an conference.
You can have your QB put up meaningles fantasy #s, I'll take my QB who WINS!
So now Cameron is a young Shula? I thought Saban was the new belichick? Remember Cameron was a complete failure as a HC and this is he same guy that has abandone his best player in SD's 2 layoff games causing his team to lose.
When football becomes a 1 on 1 sport, let me know. Until then, your arguments are lame. Chad was not a good QB last year and the Jets went 10-6. Clearly the team carried him.
I can't believe that you're trying to argue that 16 INTs is better than 11 INTs. Somehow Chad's INTs were better than Daunte's? Now I've heard everything.....
Pennington, the best QB in the world naturally.
The Jets were 6th in points allowed last season.
We've been over this. Culpepper was not responsible for the poor play of the Vikings defense.
The '05 Chiefs had a better record than the '02 Jets. They scored over 400 points. The AFC was just tougher that year. The wild card teams were 11-5 and 12-4. The Jets haven't had a record better than 10-6 since 1998. They have just been more fortunate than other teams.
The Jets have won 2 fewer games than the Dolphins since 2000 but have gone to the playoffs 4 times vs 2 for the Fins. The Fins have missed the playoffs 3 times with records of 9-7 or 10-6. The Jets have made it 4 times with similar records and missed just once.
The Vikings got decent play from their backups and they faced easier teams. Also, the Vikings played a more conservative style. They scored a lot fewer points. Last season, Johnson was the starter and had to go the whole season. How'd that turn out.
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Chad was a very good QB lst year but you just judge him by individual #s when if we didn't have Chad a year ago we would ahve been fighting for last w/ you guys.
I am not arguing that 16 INts is better than 11 I am arguing our QB made plays to WIN Daunte did not. Let's break down daunte's 2004:
5 Tds against 6-10 dallas
5 Tds against 7-9 hou
5 TDs against 8-8 NO
5 Td in 2 games against 6-10 Detroit
4 Tds in 2 games against 5-11 Chi
That's 24 of his Tds against subpar teams. His 39 Tds were nice looking #s but really meaningless b/c he only led them to 8 wins.
isn't it amazing that in 2004 the vikings were 2-5 w/ him starting and the D was giving up 28 Pg then daunte gets hurt and they go 7-2 and the D allows 17 PPG?
Back to his "great" 2004:
Week 2 against philly: down 10-6 Daunte fumbles at the phily 1 which was the turning point of the game.
34-13 loss to Giants: puts up just 13 points against 6-10 Giants who gave up 22 a game. Threw 2 INTs and fumbled once.
At Indy and at Gb he doesn't get any blame.
24-14 loss at Chi: Daunte throws 3 INts against the 5-11 Bears and leads Miny to just 14 pts against a D that gave up 21 a game.
27-23 loss to Seattle: Given the ball off a TO at the Sea 14 he leads them to 3 instead of 7. Down 1 in the 4th at the Minny 26 Daunte FUMBLES and sets up FG to give Sea 27-23 win.
Doesn't get blame for 2nd GB game either, played very wel in loss..
Week 17 at 5-10 wash he leads his team to 10 points in the competitive portion of the game(they scored garbage time TD w/ 3 secs left to mak it look closer). Luckily for Daunte an Minnesoat the NFC tookTWO 8-8 teams to the playoffs or that game would have cost them a playoff spot.
So 5 of the 8 losses he played a major role in, if he made a play here, didn't turn it over there then maybe Minny has 10-12 wins and possibly a bye in the 1st rd. daunte put up great fantasy 3s in 2004, he was NOT great.
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it's very entertaining though just like the reruns of the 3 stooges. I think Curly is better than Shemp though.
Our D stunk most of last year. We wound up w/ decent #s but that was mostly in the 2nd half, if Chad didn't keep us afloat in the first half when we gave up 24 PG compared to the 2nd half where we gave up 13 PPG.
It is interesting how in 1999 the Vikes D was 18th in points allowed then the next time they woud get to 20 or below was after daunte missed most of 2005.
and you don't think Daunte's 12 INTs and 3 fmbles in 6+ games had any ffect on the Viking defense?
the jets wn a division where the last place team won 8 games and in week 17 of '05 KC was OUT of playoff contention and beat Cincy who RESTE THEIR STARTERS.
So you'd rather have a better record and MISS the playoffs?
faced easier teams? Minny always had easy scheds from playing in the weak NFC North and weak NFC. Johnson reverted to being like duante in 2006. in '05 he limited mistakes but in '06 he threw 15 INts. If he played like he id in '05 they would have won alot more games. daunte started 1-3 and was on his way to another disastrous season in Miami. daunte was n a 4-12 pace, Brad at least was 6-8 as a starter.
the facts are Daunte was never a great REAL QB, he has had great fantasy years but that is meaningless. His teams have been better when he's been hurt(8 game difference in Minny and last year miami was on a 4 win pace when he went out and you wound up wining 6 games). teams w/ great QBs don't get better when they go down.
Chad was not very good last year. Period.
So his "extra" 15 TDs in 11 games were only two less than Chad had all last season.
EVERY QB turns the ball over. Just because the Vikings D was so bad, doesn't make Culpepper's turmovers "worse". You have been shown by me and other posters that Culpepper needed to play perfectly for the Vikings to win. He got no support from his defense at all.
What was the Jets record in the first half of the season and the second half of the season?
First 8 weeks: 4-4
Last 8 weels: 6-2
Clearly the improvement of the defense was the reason the Jets made the playoffs. If they don't improve, the Jets likely go 8-8. Even giving up 24 PPG is better than the Viking's defense most years.
What the hell does that mean. The point is that some years 9-7 is enough to get in and some years 10-6 is not. Which team was better? IMO, the team that finished 10-6 was the better team and had the misfortune of missing the playoffs because the competition in the conference was tougher that year.
The facts are that you have no idea what you are talking about.
He led us to 10 wins despite playing most of the year w/ a bad D and no running game.
yep but I have never seen a QB w/ a knack for the awful TO like Daunte nd Tos per game Chad is at .95 while daunte is at 1.46 per game. Chad doesn't kill his team w/ TOs, sure from time to time he'll throw a bad one but that is something daune consistently done and in only 4 games you saw it multiple times last year including blowing the Pitt game and killing in the 1st Buf game.