Am I the only one the doesn't really want McClain?

[DcRy82]

Well, the only argument you constantly keep bring up is sideline to sideline, sideline to sideline, sideline to sideline... You act as is going sideline to sideline is the be all end all to being good at the next level. Which is very wrong, especially in a 3-4. Then you act as if McClain is terrible at going sideline to sideline, which he isn't he's good at it, not great, but good at it. Then of course you keep bringing up blitzing. Ok, he's not good of a blitzer, oh well. He's so good at other things, it really isn't that relevent, being blitzing from the middle isn't the be all end all to being a 3-4 ILB either... Oh, and he had 4 sacks this year, 3 last year so... He's not nearly as bad a blitzer as you make him out to be. If you came up with a good argument, that's one thing, but you have failed to bring up any valid points yet.

I've made plenty of good points, you obviously dont read everything. I've also said that he tackles high and he doesnt attack the LOS. Also that he's not a good blitzer at all. Also that he sits and allows lineman to come to him, then does a great job shedding the blocker 5 yards downfield and then making a high tackle after a gain that could have went for no gain.
You also make it out to sound like i'm saying McClain sucks when all i've said is that i dont see him as a top 10 pick. I think he is a good pro prospect just not top 10 quality... I kno i've said these things 3 times at least, not sure how you missed them. you obviously saw me say something about sideline to sideline 3 times, so why do you lack the ability to read the rest of my posts?

 

[2413fanphins]

This is hilarious, some quality stuff and very educational I might add.

So if you play ILB in a 3-4 and the opposing team runs a sweep to the outside, that inside linebacker is NOT suppose to chase him? I never knew that. He's supposed to just stand there and hope the running back comes straight at him. I guess you learn something everyday. I'm glad we have some football experts around here so we can learn this valuable information

obviously you missed something... maybe it's because you can't read and digest information. maybe you've never watched a 3-4 scheme.

I'll go ahead and probably insult your intelligence by saying that obviously if the runner isn't down, there are 11 men responsible for bringing him down.

theres a thing called responsibilities in defensive schemes. if your having trouble with them, ask some friends. if you have none, google it.

 

[2413fanphins]

I've made plenty of good points, you obviously dont read everything. I've also said that he tackles high and he doesnt attack the LOS. Also that he's not a good blitzer at all. Also that he sits and allows lineman to come to him, then does a great job shedding the blocker 5 yards downfield and then making a high tackle after a gain that could have went for no gain.
You also make it out to sound like i'm saying McClain sucks when all i've said is that i dont see him as a top 10 pick. I think he is a good pro prospect just not top 10 quality... I kno i've said these things 3 times at least, not sure how you missed them. you obviously saw me say something about sideline to sideline 3 times, so why do you lack the ability to read the rest of my posts?

here's a wild guess, the fact that you even slightly suggested a comparison between mcclain and crowder, albeit very slightly, is where you probably lost the majority of your audience.

for the record I hope your right though. I don't want him to be a top ten pick either. just the twelfth pick.

 

[DcRy82]

Yea, I did compare their playing styles, and I hate to burst everyone's bubble, but they are very similar. They have the same strong points and the same weak points (for the most part), its just that McClain is a better prospect when you break down all their qualities and disabilities. I still think McClain is a mid first round pick, i just dont think he has top 10 ability, and neither do any of the other ILB prospects.

 

[Clipse]

I've made plenty of good points, you obviously dont read everything. I've also said that he tackles high and he doesnt attack the LOS. Also that he's not a good blitzer at all. Also that he sits and allows lineman to come to him, then does a great job shedding the blocker 5 yards downfield and then making a high tackle after a gain that could have went for no gain.
You also make it out to sound like i'm saying McClain sucks when all i've said is that i dont see him as a top 10 pick. I think he is a good pro prospect just not top 10 quality... I kno i've said these things 3 times at least, not sure how you missed them. you obviously saw me say something about sideline to sideline 3 times, so why do you lack the ability to read the rest of my posts?

Tackles high I agree with. Can't really agree with him not attacking the LOS though. Not a good blitzer at all. He's not great, but he had 4 sacks this year and 3 last year, not bad for a ILB if you ask me. He's no Spikes as far as blitzing goes, that's for sure, but he's better than what we currently have. Don't agree with sits and waits for linemen either. We draft at 12th overall, no not seeing what top 10 has to do with this discussion. He's every bit a top 12 pick imo, top 15 no doubt. We'll just have to agree to disagree and wait until he wins DROY :).

 

[DcRy82]

obviously you missed something... maybe it's because you can't read and digest information. maybe you've never watched a 3-4 scheme.

I'll go ahead and probably insult your intelligence by saying that obviously if the runner isn't down, there are 11 men responsible for bringing him down.

theres a thing called responsibilities in defensive schemes. if your having trouble with them, ask some friends. if you have none, google it.

hahahahaha, I'm really enjoying the fact that you are attempting to insult someone else's football knowledge when you are ONE HUNDRED PERCENT WRONG!
Yes, there are 11 men responsible, yes, players have gaps, but when a play flows outside EVERYONE PURSUES TO THE BALL! Yes, the backside DE is supposed to stay home, but a LB in ANY scheme is supposed to flow to the ball and beat the ball carrier to the corner NO MATTER WHAT! Have you EVER played football???

 

[DcRy82]

Tackles high I agree with. Can't really agree with him not attacking the LOS though. Not a good blitzer at all. He's not great, but he had 4 sacks this year and 3 last year, not bad for a ILB if you ask me. He's no Spikes as far as blitzing goes, that's for sure, but he's better than what we currently have. Don't agree with sits and waits for linemen either. We draft at 12th overall, no not seeing what top 10 has to do with this discussion. He's every bit a top 12 pick imo, top 15 no doubt. We'll just have to agree to disagree and wait until he wins DROY :).

By all means, if he is a Dolphin, I hope he wins DPOY every year. If he's not, then just to spite you, i hope he never plays a down hahaha... Everyone is worried about him goin before we pick, so obviously a lot of people think he is a top 10 pick, so that's where that comes in. I just dont think he makes enough big plays to be taken ahead of someone like Bryant, Spiller, or Thomas. If those 3 are off the board then McClain would be my pick as well. The whole point of my argument is that I think we need a "playmaker" with our first round pick. Someone who will change games. We dont have any of those guys right now.

 

[hoops]

Crowder has less than 5 sacks actually. 2.5 for his career. When i said "embarrassingly" crowder is better.. i was saying that it is embarrassing that there is someone worse than crowder at blitzing.. Implying that crowder is not a good blitzer, saying that crowder is actually a terrible blitzer by all measure and so is McClain. I also said that I think McClain will be a better pro than Crowder.. I have previously said both of those things so i'm not sure why you keep asking me about Crowder. All i said is that they play similar to each other and that IMO McClain isnt a "playmaker" at ILB and neither is Crowder. While McClain WOULD be an upgrade at ILB, i dont think he is worth a top ten pick and i would rather go after a playmaker on offense and hope for weatherspoon or spikes to be there in the 2nd (if we dont address it in FA).. The whole point to my postings has been that I dont think McClain is a playmaker (not a top 10 pick) and that the dolphins need to get a playmaker with their first pick.

BTW, McClain has a MUCH better DL (in comparison) in front of him than Crowder does, so i'm not sure why you brought up defensive fronts.

probably because our defensive front wasn't the problem in our defense...our secondary and lb play was...

while i agree we need playmakers i disagree that mcclain isn't one...

his junior year in 9 starts he had 66 tackles 7 tfl 2 sacks and 2 ints...

his sophomore year he had 14 starts 95 tackles 12 tfl 3 sacks 6 pass breakups 1 int and 2 forced fumbles

http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mcclain_rolando00.html

and those junior stats i don't think even count the sec championship game or the national championship game both of which he was all over the field "making plays" and dominating the action...

 

[Clipse]

probably because our defensive front wasn't the problem in our defense...our secondary and lb play was...

while i agree we need playmakers i disagree that mcclain isn't one...

his junior year in 9 starts he had 66 tackles 7 tfl 2 sacks and 2 ints...

his sophomore year he had 14 starts 95 tackles 12 tfl 3 sacks 6 pass breakups 1 int and 2 forced fumbles

http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/mcclain_rolando00.html

and those junior stats i don't think even count the sec championship game or the national championship game both of which he was all over the field "making plays" and dominating the action...

This. Not sure where we're getting the idea that McCLain isn't a playmaker but to each his own. He even has more sacks than Brandon Spikes, who most consider a very good blitzer.

 

[hoops]

spikes seems to be a more effective guy coming out of college as a blitzer...but i don't think that mcclain can't do it or has "peaked" as a guy who can get to the qb...

the upside with mcclain is so damn high it's not funny...

and anyone who says mcclain cannot cover just has no idea what they're talking about...watch the tape and tell me the guys garbage in coverage...it's just not accurate...

 

[tcolli17]

spikes seems to be a more effective guy coming out of college as a blitzer...but i don't think that mcclain can't do it or has "peaked" as a guy who can get to the qb...

the upside with mcclain is so damn high it's not funny...

and anyone who says mcclain cannot cover just has no idea what they're talking about...watch the tape and tell me the guys garbage in coverage...it's just not accurate...

That's because Spikes was asked to blitz alot, while McClain was not. It's all about scheme.

 

[2413fanphins]

spikes seems to be a more effective guy coming out of college as a blitzer...but i don't think that mcclain can't do it or has "peaked" as a guy who can get to the qb...

the upside with mcclain is so damn high it's not funny...

and anyone who says mcclain cannot cover just has no idea what they're talking about...watch the tape and tell me the guys garbage in coverage...it's just not accurate...

it's probably apparent to DcRy82, that you've never played football.

you can't talk schemes and player responsibilities with the guy, evidently it just doesn't matter.

 

[DcRy82]

I think mcclain is fine in coverage, never said he was bad, in fact never mentioned his coverage. I understand that spikes was asked to blitz more, but when mcclain did blitz he wasn't that effective. I understand schemes very well actually, that's why when someone tells me that an ilb doesn't need to be able to have good pursuit s2s it makes me laugh. But I don't say people probably never played jus b/c they disagree, I say that to people who say dumb things like pursuit not being important. I don't kno how many times I've gotta say that I like mcclain as a player but jus don't see him as top 10... everyone acts like I'm bashing the guy when all I'm doin is pointing out reasons I don't think he's top 10.

 

[hoops]

i've played plenty of football...pursuit is important but so is gap responsibility etc...

lets talk further about coverage...

for example if you review enough of brandon spikes you will notice that spikes "in coverage" is primarily spikes 1 yard off the ball reading the qbs eyes and jumping the ball...not really manning up on anyone...usually responsible if anything for the back out of the backfield...

if you review enough of mcclain you will notice him actually having to turn and run with a te down the field or across the field and drop into zones...not standing at the los and just reading the qbs eyes...you will also notice that with mcclains outstanding instincts and film study when he reads a screen or pass to the rb in the flat he attacks and arrives usually right as the ball arrives...you don't gain many yards after the catch when mcclain is covering you...

now while spikes may be a solid cover lb it's really hard to say that because like i said i reviewed 4 or 5 games this year and those cuts the universal draft guys put together and i never really saw many instances where spikes was asked to turn and run down the field in coverage with a te so i can't really say what kind of feel he has for it...i can with mcclain

furthermore if your looking for a lb who's gonna be where he's supposed to be vs the run ie gap responsibility or maintain his coverage responsibilities mcclain is your guy...

for mye eyes spikes seems to be more of a freelance player...might make some big plays but gonna give up some big plays also...

 

[2413fanphins]

it's just that the stats dont' back up your arguments. he has tfls is each of so and jr years. yet you say he rarely meets and the LOS and waits for plays to develope.

sacks are the same way. he shown he can break up passes, even pick the ball off.

it's debatable whether anybody is a top ten pick, thats because each person has a different opinion. but that debate would be about your only argument I would tend to agree with.

I think your a fool to question whether anybody on this forum has played ball. I would be willing to bet that over 95% of the posters on here have. That's just something somebody says when they have hurt feelings and get too defensive.