DrAstroZoom
Bon vivant
I have to ask this: would we even be having this discussion if Olindo had made just one 35-yard field goal against the Patriots in game 1, thus leaving us 9-4 now and within one game of the division lead?
Are you guys stupid??
- Thread starter Jeep
- Start date
phins_4_ever
E12 FH Tailgate Gang
of course not....the coach would then be the hero...
:D
Too many of us are just pissed that we have all of this talent and we are doing nothing with what we have.
Let's all take a step back and look at the league realistically.
If the season ended today, the following teams would make the playoffs:
AFC
2003 - Patriots, Chiefs, Colts, Ravens, Titans, Broncos
2002 – Colts, Titans, Jets, Raiders, Steelers, Browns
NFC
2003 - Eagles, Rams, Vikings, Panthers, Cowboys, Seahawks
2002 – Eagles, Bucs, 49’ers, Falcons, Packers, Giants
Three teams form last year would make the playoffs if the season ended today! Talk about Parity!!!
The Conference champions are a combined 9-17 (Buc’s 6 – 7, Radiers 3 – 10)
These two teams went to the Super Bowl last year, and NEITHER ONE has a winning record! Did either of them revamp their roster? I am pretty certain that the majority of the players that went to the Super bowl with the Raiders and Buc’s are still their, but both teams have losing records!
We have a butt load of talent on this team – but so do the other 31 teams in the NFL.
IF we were to fire DW (and the entire coaching staff – like many have suggested), would we really be any better?
SOLUTION #1
We get a new HC, OC, and DC. Each of these would bring their own system with them and it would be something new that EVERYONE would have to learn! That alone would set us back 1 year in our quest for the Lombardi Trophy.
SOLUTION #2
Keep the coaching staff intact and bring in a new QB to start. We release BG or JF and have the other restructure to be the back-up. The new QB would have to learn NT’s system and this might take a while – remember how BG struggled in the beginning.
SOLUTION #3
Keep the entire team intact, with minimal roster adjustment – except for the offensive line (read turnstile). Acquire offensive improvement via FA and the draft (WR, OL, QB).
LEAVE THE DEFENSE ALONE – JUST RESIGN OUR FA’s and RFA’s
Next year – SUPERBOWL!
Let's all take a step back and look at the league realistically.
If the season ended today, the following teams would make the playoffs:
AFC
2003 - Patriots, Chiefs, Colts, Ravens, Titans, Broncos
2002 – Colts, Titans, Jets, Raiders, Steelers, Browns
NFC
2003 - Eagles, Rams, Vikings, Panthers, Cowboys, Seahawks
2002 – Eagles, Bucs, 49’ers, Falcons, Packers, Giants
Three teams form last year would make the playoffs if the season ended today! Talk about Parity!!!
The Conference champions are a combined 9-17 (Buc’s 6 – 7, Radiers 3 – 10)
These two teams went to the Super Bowl last year, and NEITHER ONE has a winning record! Did either of them revamp their roster? I am pretty certain that the majority of the players that went to the Super bowl with the Raiders and Buc’s are still their, but both teams have losing records!
We have a butt load of talent on this team – but so do the other 31 teams in the NFL.
IF we were to fire DW (and the entire coaching staff – like many have suggested), would we really be any better?
SOLUTION #1
We get a new HC, OC, and DC. Each of these would bring their own system with them and it would be something new that EVERYONE would have to learn! That alone would set us back 1 year in our quest for the Lombardi Trophy.
SOLUTION #2
Keep the coaching staff intact and bring in a new QB to start. We release BG or JF and have the other restructure to be the back-up. The new QB would have to learn NT’s system and this might take a while – remember how BG struggled in the beginning.
SOLUTION #3
Keep the entire team intact, with minimal roster adjustment – except for the offensive line (read turnstile). Acquire offensive improvement via FA and the draft (WR, OL, QB).
LEAVE THE DEFENSE ALONE – JUST RESIGN OUR FA’s and RFA’s
Next year – SUPERBOWL!
DrAstroZoom
Bon vivant
BigFinFan, thanks for brining more than just the avatar! Great posts.
T-Bone
Practice Squad
Answer to your question would we be better - YES! Because Wanny is a defensive coordinator at best, our defense rocks, he doesn't have the gift of spotting talent, he doesn't motivate or discipline (get pissed at) his players.
We need a hard nosed s.o.b. of a coach who strikes fear into the rookies and gets respect from the stars on this team.
If we go w/ solution 1b it didn't take Chucky Gruden all that long in Tampa Bay now did it?
Solution #2b still requires a line that can pass block & run block because even if it was Vick that we got Ricky can't run with this pathetic line.
Solution 3b - We are doing this now, we got a few veterans and thats all we needed and that is working out wonderfully.
DW has got to go!!!!
I don't want to rebuild, we have waited long enough!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DrAstroZoom
Bon vivant
If we fire Wannstedt, rebuilding is what you'll get.
T-Bone
Practice Squad
Tampa Bay didn't rebuild!!!!!!
Agua
Fighting the media, one lie at a time
Coughlin made the Conference championship game, what? One time? Twice maybe? Carolina did so in their third year as well. Coughlin also had the benefit of someone you should be familiar with, Bill Polian, who was handed the most outlandish double dipping draft pick scenario and cap leeway ever accorded to any team in an effort to make them competitive in a hurry. They were giving them double picks for, what? 3 years?
The only edge Coughlin has over the remaining ilk out there is he hasn't proven that he's WORSE than Wanny and that he's mean sob players hate. A lot of his success, which was for maybe 3-4 years, has to be attributed to the treasure trove handed over to Polian who's a top talent guy to begin with.
DrAstroZoom
Bon vivant
Of course, they're 6-7 this year. I'm not sure I'm ready to hand the lion's share of the credit for the SB win to Chucky.
mf52dolphin
FinHeaven VIP
Ah major blunder there Polian worked in Carolina and did work with Coughlin. Coughlin was a dictator with total control in Jacksonville.
Two comments:
1. We don't have the talent to be fighting for home field advantage. We have holes on the o-line, and WR.
2. You can't make coaching blunders in the off-season.
Actually it doesn't make more sense as I think about it.... Its one of the dumbest suggestions I've ever read...
The only question is....CAN HE COACH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Geez, this is getting comical.
Jeep
Premium Member
I can think of two right off the bat... Tom Landry and Don Shula... they were once players that graduated into 2 of the greatest coaches off all time..... but since you asked.. lets move on.. yeah there was Ditka... Tom Flores once played and ended up winning the Superbowl as a coach of the Raiders..
And many EX players went on to other management posistions... there is Dwight Clark and Matt Millen to name just two....
Now.. shall we cross over into baseball?? I can think of many players that turned manager... or how about basket ball?? Larry Bird was one of the greatest and he coached!!!
So maybe before you laugh in someone's face.. maybe you should open up that prejudicial little mind you have and listen to other peoples opinions..
Yeah..you're right... and its funny how that works.. you dont have experience until you do... I just happen to think he would be respected by the players and the fans...
I did not know that......
Sorry Muck... I didn't mean to ruffle your tail feathers.......
Agua
Fighting the media, one lie at a time
Well, I think that was close to the situation with B. Parcells and JJ. Hell, you might throw Bellichick in there now. That's the kind of upgrade you're talking about to get a team over the 9 - 11 win hump, and none of those guys are available. If there was a young rising coach like Gruden, who had already proven he could put together a consistent 12 win team, despite what's happened in Tampa, I'd be inclined to say "he's on the rise, he's proven, give him a shot", but there ain't.