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Emmanuel Acho going all in on Tua

dunegoon said:
1 word. CONTEXT
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QBR and PFF ratings use context. Garbage time throws are rated lower.

I love Tua and going forward I want him, not Herbert, as our quarterback. But I think it’s revisionist to say that Tua was better than Herbert during their first two seasons. And factually in terms of context, Tua’s biggest two games in the last two years — when the Dolphins controlled their own destiny — were the loss at Buffalo two years ago and the loss at Tennessee last year. Both were ugly.
 
mrbunglez said:
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This was a follow up to them discussing on Monday if the media crowned Herbert too soon. Shady said no "because his rookie stats proved he was good" lol ok that's the only reason the media is so enamored with Herbert that first year stats of 31 tds and 10 ints and all the 300 yard games. But he's not winning. He's never been a winner and that was his biggest concern coming out of Oregon. Tua has 2 less wins than Herbert in like 13 less games played. Herbert has way more talent around him and they aren't getting it done. His numbers usually coming during garbage time.
 
Bopkin02 said:
Herbert is a numbers guy.
Tua wins games.
I think that's the bottom line, if you have sum up their differences in two sentences.
Numbers Guys look pretty, get press, and accolades week to week.
Winners don't always look pretty.
There is still more to be written on this comparison, though. It's still very early in their careers. I'd like to see a comparison 5 years from now taking playoffs into account.
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Winner. Winner. Chicken dinner.
 
My concerns with Herbert were always related to development. He was far and away my favorite QB prospect when he was a freshman and then he didn't really get much better. He always had a few highlight plays, but continually made the mistakes that led to losses or stood in the way of winning games. That made me leery of what he would do in the pros. Then in the pros, he was everybody's top rookie QB and now people are seeing that he's not really developing or perhaps even regressing.

Herbert is always the easy choice for superficial evaluators. He has those measurable skills that are easy to see. But reality is that long-term NFL QB success doesn't usually come from those easy measurable skills. History has proven that long-term NFL QB success is more correlated with less quantifiable skills like consistent accuracy, fast processing and a fast release, pocket awareness and being able to read a defense. Reading the defense tends to come with time in the same system and time in general assuming a baseline level of football instinct or IQ, but the others are more innate. I said after their rookie years that I was more confident in Tua's potential for long-term NFL team success (although I did like Herbert's potential as a fantasy QB). I said that I could easily see Tua having a career where the team won a ton, but people always discredited the QB while Herbert would put up great numbers and the team just never seems to get over the hump. I still don't have a crystal ball, but I haven't seen anything that changes that assessment.
 
circumstances said:
If Tua keeps up the good Fantasy numbers, the doofuses will eventually have their "aha moment" on this subject.
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This. Acho getting roasted for this take right now. But if Tua keeps up the pace from his first 3 games throughout the rest of the year, and stays healthy and leads us to the playoffs, then he’ll shut people up.
 
rafael said:
My concerns with Herbert were always related to development. He was far and away my favorite QB prospect when he was a freshman and then he didn't really get much better. He always had a few highlight plays, but continually made the mistakes that led to losses or stood in the way of winning games. That made me leery of what he would do in the pros. Then in the pros, he was everybody's top rookie QB and now people are seeing that he's not really developing or perhaps even regressing.

Herbert is always the easy choice for superficial evaluators. He has those measurable skills that are easy to see. But reality is that long-term NFL QB success doesn't usually come from those easy measurable skills. History has proven that long-term NFL QB success is more correlated with less quantifiable skills like consistent accuracy, fast processing and a fast release, pocket awareness and being able to read a defense. Reading the defense tends to come with time in the same system and time in general assuming a baseline level of football instinct or IQ, but the others are more innate. I said after their rookie years that I was more confident in Tua's potential for long-term NFL team success (although I did like Herbert's potential as a fantasy QB). I said that I could easily see Tua having a career where the team won a ton, but people always discredited the QB while Herbert would put up great numbers and the team just never seems to get over the hump. I still don't have a crystal ball, but I haven't seen anything that changes that assessment.
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He's Jeff George!

They even both have two first names!
 
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