Jimmy James
You sit on a throne of lies!
LightsOut said:trying what? :confused:
Trying in good faith to make a reasonable and logical argument. I can only assume you never saw Johnson or Culpepper play a game in your life.
LightsOut said:trying what? :confused:
dolfan121 said:ok;
McNair will most likely be a salary cap casualty. This is a guy that has been totally beat up in 03-04, and some this year. He is also a guy that has won a starting job and kept it for 9 years, with both a superbowl appearance and a co-mvp under his belt, will turn 33 in Feb of '06, but I feel with a good line that can give him time could be productive, I remember him and Derek Mason just being unstoppable for a few years. He was most productive with a strong running game (Eddie George), and when it fell off so did Steve.
LightsOut said:so stats from one year mean something but stats from a entire career don't. i see.
dolfan348454999 said:He was rushed into the spot light of national TV and the playoffs compared to Frerotte who play like that every week even while practicing with the first team.
Jimmy James said:What makes you think that Cutler would be out of the question under 3 or 4 if he is possible under 2? I would think that what you wrote would make it clear your list should be:
1) Simms
2) McNair w/ Jay Cutler being groomed
3) Kitna w/ Jay Cutler being groomed
4) Frerotte w/ Jay Cutler being groomed
I'll note that the above *is not* my list and that I don't agree with yours. I respect your right to feel differently than I do, and I think I have made my points clear enough in the thread already. I'd like to limit this to the above question.
Maricopa Slim said:First, I would like to say I have been a Dolphins fan most of my life, but I am also an Arizona Cardinals season ticket holder (one of the few). I have watched McCown for the last two years and this is what I have seen:
Positives- very athletic, big heart, decent arm
Negatives- he is not particularly accurate, most of his throws are jump balls which are okay when you have Boldin and Fitzgerald but won't work everywhere,
he really has a bad tendency of locking on to one receiver, I don't know how many times I have seen him miss totally open receivers and throw the ball to double covered ones, he really doesn't strike me as the smartest qb on the field.
I think the Dolphins would do well to steer clear. I think he is a good kid, but I am not convinced he looks like NFL starter material.
oldfinfan said:Sorry, guys...way too many excuses !! Kitna has been around for quite a while, so the argument of "being rushed into the limelight" is weak...
if the team quit, he didn't have what it took to keep them motivated. Maybe the team quit on HIM, because they knew they didn't have a chance.
We do agree on something...no big imporvement with Kitna, if any.
So, why do we want him again ??
PhinGeneral said:Can we end this Phillip Rivers talk please? First of all, it's been reported that Miami has scouted him, and they do not like his arm. Miami likes a vertical game. Rivers isn't that QB.
Secondly, the Chargers can afford to keep both QB's this year, and with Brees having a torn labrum, they probably have no choice but to keep him as an insurance policy.
oldfinfan said:Sorry, guys...way too many excuses !! Kitna has been around for quite a while, so the argument of "being rushed into the limelight" is weak...
if the team quit, he didn't have what it took to keep them motivated. Maybe the team quit on HIM, because they knew they didn't have a chance.
We do agree on something...no big imporvement with Kitna, if any.
So, why do we want him again ??
dolfan121 said:I believe the above question(thread) was QB possiblities, and those were all names that were brought up in responses. The reason I have Gus at 2 w/ Cutler, is I feel he will do just as much for the team next year as McNair or Kitna, and since Gus knows the system , why bring in a another vet to groom a young guy. That would just mean two guys would have to learn a system, that to me would take away coaching time from a younger QB! And I also do not agree with MANY of your posts.
oldfinfan said:Sorry, guys...way too many excuses !! Kitna has been around for quite a while, so the argument of "being rushed into the limelight" is weak...
if the team quit, he didn't have what it took to keep them motivated.
Maybe the team quit on HIM, because they knew they didn't have a chance.
We do agree on something...no big imporvement with Kitna, if any.
Jimmy James said:You need to take a look at those 2002 Bengals, as does anyone who believes that Kitna isn't a big improvement over Gus.
FemaleFinFan said:Thats exaclty how I feel about getting older vets. If we get a vet, I want someone who we can have for the long run like Simms. But I do not want a vet who will only be here 2-3 years, learning a new system, while teaching a rookie. Thats what Gus can do as he already knows the system.
Good post.