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Ryan Tannehill's pocket awareness

GM_Davenport said:
I think the ability to escape the pocket (which Tannehill absolutely has) and pocket awareness are two different things; the video does an excellent job of putting the former on display. Pocket awareness is more about manipulating the pass rush to put your blockers in the best position to divert (block) their assigned rusher, while maintaining eyes downfield. There hasn't been much improvement in that regard from Tannehill; however, a more free-flowing offensive scheme should expedite that phase of his development pretty quickly.
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But doesn't one essentially need to be aware of the pocket to be able to know when it's time to escape it? Lol.

I can't lie though, you're correct in saying there's a distinct difference.

And I only saw one instance @1:00 in the video where Tannehill manipulated the rush to his advantage by using the defenders momentum against them by sliding to his left slightly buying just enough time to make the throw down the field.

Still it's difficult to evaluate his true ability to create space within the pocket because too many times the offensive line was so terrible that more often than not multiple defenders would break through the protection uninhibited causing the quarterback to abandon the pocket all together.
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
Right, saying Ryan needs to improve his pocket awareness is totally ignorant. :rolleyes2: Hellen Keller can see he could use a bit of improvement in this area. That doesn't mean he is a bust or won't be a very good starting QB in this league, it just means he can improve, which we all said would be the case when we drafted him.
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There is a video of every dolphins sack given up. Analysis that and tell me that tannehill is responsible for even a quarter of them if you can. I can point to play after play where blockers missed assignments and tannehill had nowhere to go. How is a QB at fault forsacks when there physically is nothing he can do to avoid it. Tell me tannehill was anything outside of average in terms of pocket awareness I'm listening . Otherwise yes it is a bit ignorant to say tannehill is terrible in terms of pocket awareness. Hes merely average in that aspect
 
nick1 said:
There is a video of every dolphins sack given up. Analysis that and tell me that tannehill is responsible for even a quarter of them if you can. I can point to play after play where blockers missed assignments and tannehill had nowhere to go. How is a QB at fault forsacks when there physically is nothing he can do to avoid it. Tell me tannehill was anything outside of average in terms of pocket awareness I'm listening . Otherwise yes it is a bit ignorant to say tannehill is terrible in terms of pocket awareness. Hes merely average in that aspect
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below average.
 
nick1 said:
There is a video of every dolphins sack given up. Analysis that and tell me that tannehill is responsible for even a quarter of them if you can. I can point to play after play where blockers missed assignments and tannehill had nowhere to go. How is a QB at fault forsacks when there physically is nothing he can do to avoid it. Tell me tannehill was anything outside of average in terms of pocket awareness I'm listening . Otherwise yes it is a bit ignorant to say tannehill is terrible in terms of pocket awareness. Hes merely average in that aspect
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When did I say he was TERRIBLE, in terms of pocket awareness?? I never said that, what I said is that he could improve in that area. I am not going to take the time to go through 58 sacks and show you every single time he could have gotten out of the sack by making a simple move, but every Sunday I sat and watched him take sacks that many other QBs would not have taken. Luck is a true magician when it came to escaping a rusher who had him dead to rights. He made over half of em completely miss, or broke tackles that some RBs couldn't break. I am not saying Ryan should be on that level but it seems to me that you seem to think there is no difference from Ryan and someone like Luck when it comes to escapability.

Again this isn't me saying Ryan has to fix this huge issue or we should replace him, this is just something he needs to work on. I am certainly not down on Ryan, I think he is the future of the franchise, but he isn't the finished product that he will be in a few years. This is one area that needs to be worked on.

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nick1 said:
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KTOWNFINFAN said:
When did I say he was TERRIBLE, in terms of pocket awareness?? I never said that, what I said is that he could improve in that area. I am not going to take the time to go through 58 sacks and show you every single time he could have gotten out of the sack by making a simple move, but every Sunday I sat and watched him take sacks that many other QBs would not have taken. Luck is a true magician when it came to escaping a rusher who had him dead to rights. He made over half of em completely miss, or broke tackles that some RBs couldn't break. I am not saying Ryan should be on that level but it seems to me that you seem to think there is no difference from Ryan and someone like Luck when it comes to escapability.

Again this isn't me saying Ryan has to fix this huge issue or we should replace him, this is just something he needs to work on. I am certainly not down on Ryan, I think he is the future of the franchise, but he isn't the finished product that he will be in a few years. This is one area that needs to be worked on.

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Tannehill is fine. Judging him behind last years line is retarded. Rewatch the SB and see what constant pressure does to one of the all time best QBs. Tannehill faced that almost every week.
 
The other thing people don't give Tannehill enough credit for is his eye level. He keeps his eyes downfield. The kid is tough. Even with the pocket collapsing around him, he is looking downfield trying to make a play, despite getting banged around. The typical young quarterback would be gun shy. Not Tannehill. He takes a licking and still looks downfield the next time. Compare that with Henne or other Captains of Checkdown. I'd rather have a qb who stands tall and tries to make a play instead of a weak minded qb who plays hot potato and gets rid of the ball quickly. When Tannehill gets that extra split second, his trait for hanging in the pocket will pay off big time IMO. There are signs with Tannehill that allow you to project and analyze based on what you see. Not everything is a simple minded statistic.
 
Wallace, not trying to start a fight, but am sincerely curious. You joined the site right when Wallace signed with Miami. Are you a family member or friend of Wallace's? You come across as a Wallace fan, not a Miami fan. What's your angle?
 
Austin Tatious said:
The other thing people don't give Tannehill enough credit for is his eye level. He keeps his eyes downfield. The kid is tough. Even with the pocket collapsing around him, he is looking downfield trying to make a play, despite getting banged around. The typical young quarterback would be gun shy. Not Tannehill. He takes a licking and still looks downfield the next time. Compare that with Henne or other Captains of Checkdown. I'd rather have a qb who stands tall and tries to make a play instead of a weak minded qb who plays hot potato and gets rid of the ball quickly. When Tannehill gets that extra split second, his trait for hanging in the pocket will pay off big time IMO. There are signs with Tannehill that allow you to project and analyze based on what you see. Not everything is a simple minded statistic.
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Agree 100%
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
When did I say he was TERRIBLE, in terms of pocket awareness?? I never said that, what I said is that he could improve in that area. I am not going to take the time to go through 58 sacks and show you every single time he could have gotten out of the sack by making a simple move, but every Sunday I sat and watched him take sacks that many other QBs would not have taken. Luck is a true magician when it came to escaping a rusher who had him dead to rights. He made over half of em completely miss, or broke tackles that some RBs couldn't break. I am not saying Ryan should be on that level but it seems to me that you seem to think there is no difference from Ryan and someone like Luck when it comes to escapability.

Again this isn't me saying Ryan has to fix this huge issue or we should replace him, this is just something he needs to work on. I am certainly not down on Ryan, I think he is the future of the franchise, but he isn't the finished product that he will be in a few years. This is one area that needs to be worked on.

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Read the second post in the thread......... i was talking bout Wallace being ignorant not you. You tried to butt into our debate
 
I'm going to wait to discuss/debate pocket awareness until there is a pocket to be aware of. JMO
 
spiketex said:
It would be nice to get a decent TE as a seam threat.
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I was very satisfied with the performance of Charles Clay last season- he came up big for us on many drives.

Also, can we expect a healthy Keller next year?
 
My opinion at whats happening:

1) Mike sherman was not a good coach, straight up. That made this offense worse.

2) This ties in with #1..I dont care what ANYONE SAYS..opposing defenses knew our snap count, because it has been the same for 2 years and my girlfriend even picked up on what was going on. Even our left tackle when brought in mid season was wondering what the hell was going on with that and suggested we change it.

3) Ryan holds onto the ball way too long . Throw it away, our pull it down and run..either way- make your decision faster. This has been one of his problems since A&M.

4) Our offensive line, minus pouncey, was a joke for the most part
 
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