*** Tannehill's Comeback Mega Thread ***
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This is a narrative that has continued due to the type of pressure that Tannehill has faced. In fact, when teams are forced to blitz to generate pressure (like is required for nearly every other QB in the league), Tannehill does very, very well.
IMO, it is not pressure that is the problem, it is quick pressure from only 4 pass rushers that is the problem. The same is true for all QBs. The difference is that it occurs much more often with the Dolphins than other teams. I have never seen an analysis that breaks down the type of pressure and how quickly in happens. Down and distance also plays a big role. Quick pressure on 3rd and 1 is not the same thing as quick pressure on 3rd and 10. Finally, game score plays another role. It is much easier to throw the ball away or pull it down and run with it when you are winning than when you are losing and trying to get something out of every play.
Here is an article from 2012:
https://www.thephinsider.com/2013/7/5/4494434/ryan-tannehill-under-pressure-in-2012
I also remember a comment from Todd McShay where he said that Tannehill was the best of the 2012 QBs coming out at handling pressure. I'm sorry, but I just don't buy that Tannehill regressed in this area. I don't see it on the field.
I'll agree that the improvisation skills have been below Luck and WIlson, but they did improve under new coaching in 2016.
Here is another article that claims that the Patriots must do exactly what I am talking about.
https://www.patspulpit.com/2017/6/1...e-dolphins-qb-ryan-tannehill-without-blitzing
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Yeah remember how the narrative changed from not being able to handle pressure to being weak against shell coverage completely ignoring the fact that four hell even three rushers were owning our line.
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That is because Tannehill is a very smart QB who can recognize the blitz and analyze the situation pre snap. When he can see it early he does well with it . . . He did this at an even higher level in 2016.
But you are correct, that is only one type of pressure. Where improvising is most vital is when you don’t see it pre snap, it just happens, and Ryan has just not been able to be nearly as good at dealing with that type of pressure as Luck or Wilson. Now certainly the line has been awful during his tenure, they were awful with Luck and Wilson as well, it’s just a comparison in the end and In today’s NFL you gotta have the QB who can instinctually improvise and make teams consistently pay for overloading or leaving man coverage in the back, or using your legs to get positive yardage.
In 2016, especially when the 8-1 streak happened, he made major gains in that area, because previously he was very tentative and maybe it was battered wife syndrome but it was something you could not ignore when evaluating him . . . And that aspect has become a top tier element when evaluating any QB.
But everything slowed down and he was playing fast and that was extremely noticeable. People want to give Ajayi credit for 2016 but it was an improved Tannehill that kept us alive in every one of those games and Gase ran an offense to where he did not have Ryan in consistent third and long situations.
It was a very good mash up for a good stretch of football in 2016.
Here is another list of stats from the 2013 season. It clearly shows that Tannehill handles pressure from the blitz very well and suffers from pressure with no blitz.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/qbs-in-focus-pressure-and-the-blitz
Also from the 2013 season, Tannehill performed well throwing the ball in under 2.5 seconds.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/qbs-in-focus-time-to-throw
Another article from 2013:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...l-you-about-ryan-tannehill-dolphins-struggles
So add it up. second fastest to release the ball and still highest sacked by far.
I believe and could be mistaken about that year and meant Parkey was the kicker for the Browns not phins that year and missed a chip shot that could have won the game for them. It was a close game for sure.
Appreciate clarify the week 3 win not 5.
As far as RT looking lost those first 4 weeks remember it's my opinion and opinions can differ and stats do not always display the game. For example many times at the end of games when the outcome is basically over the opposing team allowed us to dink and dunk down the field the last few minutes maybe score even. Stats look much better but the outcome is same a loss. Thanks for correcting me anyway. Hopefully RT comes out in rythem this year early spreads the ball around and we do well.
I agree.
In the case of Wilson, I think much of his success at improvising comes directly from it being a designed in part of their offense. He is (IMO) too quick at times to pull it down and run while Tannehill is too slow to pull it down and run. Remember, Tannehill was coached to stay in the pocket early in his career by the two headed idiot of Philbin and Sherman.
If Tannehill's problem was just not being able to succeed when from time to time when he was not getting average time, I would agree with you, but unlike most of those QBs, Tannehill is running for his life more time then getting the time. Have you seen any QB (Wilson and Luck included), where they looked good, while their O-line failed to do their job?
All quality QBs have parts of their games where they are better then others. Tom Brady, and many other very good QBs also can't improvise like Wilson and Luck, does not mean they are inferior QBs.
Sherman was his HC in College, but did a terrible job as a O-Cordinator in the NFL. I will not lie, when Sherman came aboard, I thought that was going to be an advantage, until he put his son in law as the QB coach, had handcuffed at what he could do, for way too long, in Tannehill's Cadence, had him almost telling defenses what was about to happen...I kind of wish now it hadn't been Sherman as his OC, at least Tannehill might have had a chance to grow.
I am not saying that, what I'm saying is, he in different ways has been just as effective as Luck. Wilson for now is another story.
I agree, just don't expect Tannehill to become like Wilson or Luck back there any time soon, especially after coming back from surgery. I love what Gase was doing with him, and believe Tannehill is going to progress more and more as the season goes along. Expect to see Tannehill more in the pocket, or being moved after getting the ball, but don't expect him to take off like Wilson or Luck much, if at all.
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Been an RT17 supporter since day 1. So glad he is back and leading this team. Being a leader is the key word. He is putting in the work to not only make himself better but to bring everyone up. We have our QB!
Come on Ryan . . . Nobody bought that fake on the takeoff. Sink those hips more dude. #slacker
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Ryan has always done these things. As a rookie he was teaching vets the playbook. He's always been a hard worker, a grinder, and burried himself in the playbook. He does sound pretty laid back in his advice here though lol. Not that it's really a bad thing but if you're around 40 or older you remember Marino screaming at every mistake someone made and guys were scared to death to do the wrong thing.
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This is so encouraging to see. I'm sure it goes on all over the league, but seeing this is very very cool
someone had to do it...
