Yes the same Terry Glenn that had 15-266 an 0 scores prior to that breakout junior year. You seem to leave out some vital details when looking at the career numbers of Glenn and Ginn at OSU. For instance, Glenn started "12" games for OSU in his career compared to Ginn started "30" games. So you are really comparing Glenn's "ONE" year to Ginn's "TWO and HALF" years. The actual career numbers:
Glenn OSU career...12 starts
72 catches 1582 yards 21.9 ypc 17 TD
Ginn OSU career...30 starts
135 catches 1943 yards 14.4 ypc 15 TD
What jumps out? Glenn's additional 7.5 ypc and 2 more TD in 18 less starts.
And you accuse
me of leaving out details? You seem to have handily forgotten that Ginn came to Ohio State as the USA Today Defensive Player of the Year, he was Superprep's National Defensive Player of the Year and he was a 2003 and 2004 Parade All American DB.
Note that I said
defense and not offense. So whilst his numbers are down on Glenn's, I think it's pretty safe to say that a large part of that is due to the fact that he was a cornerback learning a relatively new position. I mean, hell, the Ohio Offensive Player of the Year award he won in 2003 was due to his play at QB.
He only caught 25 balls his first season and 20 of them came in the last 5 games. He also scored 3 punt returns in that last 5 game span, catching 4-77 at MSU, 5-87 against Michigan and 6-78 at Oklahoma State. And that was on Roderick Maples, Marlin Jackson and Darrent Williams.
Not a bad corner trimuverate for a defensive back to register yards against.
In Glenn's 12 starts, he played 7 losing teams. In those other 5 games, two were against the 7-4-1 Huskies and the 8-4 Hawkeyes. I mean, that Hawkeye game was 56-0 to OSU in the 2ND quarter.
I didn't blame Ginn for the schedule. I merely pointed out his two best games were against lesser opponents.
You really did blame the OSU schedule. Again, let me say that Glenn's biggest game came against a 2-9 team.
I didn't forget Ginn's 5-97 Texas game. I also remember that same game his counterpart Anthony Gonzalez put up 8-142 and 1 TD.
The fact that Texas shifted Ross, a career strongside CB to the weakside to shadow Ginn, should tell you why Gonzalez had the game he did. I know if I'm a WR and I have a choice of being covered by future 1st round CB Aaron Ross or late rounder Tarell Brown, I know what I'm choosing.
The fact is, as I said before, my comparison of Glenn and Ginn isn't stats related. You handily chose to ignore that.
The ridiculous analogy was to point out the ridiculous comparison of Ginn to Johnson. Football is not an Olympic sport. There have been plenty examples of Olympic athletes (sprinters) who have attempted an NFL career with limited success. The athleticism should be looked at relative to their position. When it comes to speed, size, positioning, hands, blocking ability which all have to do with athletic ability and skill the only area Ginn stacks up well against Johnson is speed. I never said Ginn wasn't fast bc he "IS!" But that doesn't mean he is as phenomenal an athlete as Johnson relating to the position as your original post indicates.
Athleticism relative to position? So CJ's broad jump is relative to his future NFL career is it? I'm not denying Johnson's freakish athletic ability, merely - and I do so hate repeating myself - saying that there are a lot of parameters to measure athleticism with. And yet AGAIN, I point to not just the speed, but the feet, the cutting ability, the body control. All fall under the athleticism umbrella, just like a broad jump does. Please remove your blinkers.
I am not questioning Ginn's injury history. I am questioning whether a 6' 180 lb player can stay relatively injury free in the NFL. Do you seriously think this is not a concern with every team in the NFL that is thinking about spending their 1st round pick on him? The NFL does not have many 180 lb star players.
Steve Smith - 5'9, 181.
Warrick Dunn - 5'9, 180.
Yet again I point to the fact that he's never been hurt. And yet bigger guys - Johnson, Bowe, Jarrett, Meacham, etc. have all missed time due to serious and semi serious injuries.
I am not saying Ginn sucks or anything of the sort. What I am saying is that IMO his game is not worthy of being the #9 pick in the draft. Unless the Dolphins are in the position of using the #9 as a luxury pick to improve our return game which we are not.
So if Miami aren't interested as you intonate, why have they expended so much vnergy on him?
