The Book On Ryan Tannehill (parts 1 And 2) - Comprehensive Scouting Report

[The Goat]

I don't engage in personal attacks. It's pointless. We all want glory for this team.
The thing is this, We have a QB who has two 6-win seasons, and three 8-win seasons, and one absent season, in six seasons of his NFL carer. All franchise QBs get 4 years to prove their worth. He generally is what he was in 2015. Tho book was written. He may have more success or less success, but that's the baseline.

Some are okay with that, some are not. I'm not okay with that. We have stability at QB which is good, we are not #32 as the ESPN poll suggests. The stability however is just not convincing going forward based on past performances.
In addition, our division rivals are retooling this year in this QB rich draft, for the future. I've been fan for three decades and we've missed on Qbs in the past. That's what the first round is for, to find the phenom.
For those who like Gase, they should want him to get his QB, to have his 4-year window to make magic happen, and not be stuck with someone else's QB like Jimmy was, and be fired because the team went 7-9 and that QB did not make it happen.

Hey, man...props for a well-written post about Tanny and the presentation of information.

But that is not the book on Tannehill. It may be *your* book. But it is not *the* book.

And Tannehill is not the same QB he was in 2015.

 

[The Goat]

A lifetime of watching the NFL gives me a pretty good idea. Who are you to say what am I or am not to assess?

I think what he was suggesting is that you don't have any inside knowledge of defensive planning the week leading up to a game. If a lifetime of watching NFL games were a qualification for organizational prowess, I'd be better-qualified than some GMs in the league.

 

[Vaark]

Yes, I am deflecting personal attacks. I am talking about issues with the team. You are talking about me. I will continue to deflect that, and I'll leave it at that.

Okay, fair enough. I'll throw down this gauntlet though, having seen more than a few vacuum-visionaries roll in off the street only to again be kicked to the curb: it'll be interesting to see how immersed you become in all team matters vs concentrating on how terrible Tannehill might be and who should replace him. That's usually a reliable litmus test for "intent."

Now on to Tannehill: there was a 3 year period that despite Matty Ice having at times the greatest WR and GOAT TE in the game, he lost a total of 4 more game than did Tannehill even with his modest assets with which he had to work.

Oh and despite having bottom-dweller OL last season, in 2016 Tannehill was either the 2nd or 3rd most accurate long ball (20yds+) passer in the league.. and from a clean pocket, he ranked 4th in the league in QBR.

Because he's never had more than a sub-standard OL, hopefully with an average OL he won't be pissing blood and will continue to show what he's capable of doing.

 

[The Goat]

Okay, fair enough. I'll throw down this gauntlet though, having seen more than a few vacuum-visionaries roll in off the street only to again be kicked to the curb: it'll be interesting to see how immersed you become in all team matters vs concentrating on how terrible Tannehill might be and who should replace him. That's usually a reliable litmus test for "intent."

Now on to Tannehill: there was a 3 year period that despite Matty Ice having at times the greatest WR and GOAT TE in the game, he lost a total of 4 more game than did Tannehill even with his modest assets with which he had to work.

Oh and despite having bottom-dweller OL last season, in 2016 Tannehill was either the 2nd or 3rd most accurate long ball (20yds+) passer in the league.. and from a clean pocket, he ranked 4th in the league in QBR.

Because he's never had more than a sub-standard OL, hopefully with an average OL he won't be pissing blood and will continue to show what he's capable of doing.

I see what you're doing here. I like your style.

 

[The Goat]

I'm gonna go another route; Largo...do you have any data to back up your assertions, either real or fabricated?

 

[Fins1971]

Not an attack. I made an observation and asked a question having seen this kind of neatly packaged/topped off with a bow type agenda pre-set too many times in the past 11 years to think that someone did not outwear their welcome elsewhere because of a Rainmanish obsession with Tannehill, Gase, Ross or whatever. . Otherwise you're deflecting.

The newbie as you put it took the time to post a well written opinion on Tannehill's tenure here. You made fun of the post which is an attack on the poster. Then later in the thread you challenge him to comment on other team items.

The whole while you didn't have the conviction to address his well written post and tell him with which points you disagree with. Pretty funny if you ask me. Something thing tells me you won't chase this one off.

 

[Fins1971]

The book on Ryan Tannehill is:

We drafted a QB who had red flags in college. He was a one year starter, and had poor scoring for the volume, borderline completion percentage, and wuestionable decision making, throwing a little too many picks for the volume. He also was not a winner per se, having 7-6 record in his last season.

However he landed at a really good team, with good staff, unlike some better college prospects over the years, like Mark Sanchez for example who landed at absolute garbage franchise.

Philbin was looking for a high volume passer who he could train, so he had to be if training age as well, because Philbin ran high volume passing offense. And Tannehill was that QB having thrown for unusually high 530 attempts in college. He could carry the passing load.

In addition he landed with people who cared. He landed with his former college head coach Mike Sherman as his OC who took care to introduce him to NFL.
The Dolphins also lucked out that Tannehill was a hard worker and a quick learner which is important for the success.

A newly drafted franchise QB will get four years, the rookie deal, to prove he is worthy of the second contract, that he can lead the team to playoffs and win, that he is that phenom, and the team can extend him to make more SB runs.

Ryan Tannehill made significant improvements under Philbin each year in his first three years, to the point that he was one of the better performers in the league in 2014.
In just his second season he was on the brink of leading the team to the playoffs. But came just short of that goal and benchmark in late December games.
In his third and best season, he once again lead the team to the brink of playoffs only to come up short again in December.

After Tannehill’s second year, the head coach who drafted him and trained him, had serious concerns about Ryan’s success potential, about his “greatness.” Philbin wanted to draft Derek Carr that offseason, another high volume passer to fit the offense.
Instead, the organization acquired a low passer but a winning QB from NDSU, Brock Jensen who was obviously not a fit.

Stadium renovations were going on and the brass did not want to have quarterback controversy during the unveiling of the new venue. Philbin was the political enemy after 2014 season for wanting to switch QBs.
After a poor start to 2015 season Philbin was fired. The team kept the QB but fired the HC who got and trained the QB. We did this once before.
Ryan Tannehill did not perform as well in 2015 as he did in 2014, he suffered a pull back in production, which is not unusual for similar QBs.
Blake Bortles and Derek Carr experienced similar pull backs and fired head coach, after a three year steady improvement.

Ryan Tannehill received an extension 2015. The extension was team-friendly because he did not accomplish what he set out to accomplish and what the expectations were for the rookie deal, which was to show that he is the phenom. But he showed significant improvements, committment, and hard work. The extension was just good enough to get the team through the stadium renovations and onto the next phase.

Under the new head coach in 2016, Ryan Tannehill started the season slow, again. And then, game 13 he suffered a season ending injury. During that season Ryan led the team to 8-5 record. His passing load was significantly reduced compared to 2014 season, and the team relied more on the running game than it did in previous years. That season, the Dolphins had one of the best rushing attacks in the league, and the lead running back was a pro bowl selection.

The Dolphins were encouraged by this new dynamic and were looking forward to having Tannehill back for the 2017 season. However, he suffered season-ending knee reinjury in preseason.

During the 2018 offseason, the team restructured Ryan Tannehill’s contract to create cap space for roster additions.

The book on Ryan Tannehill was written in 2015. A head coach was fired, and Ryan was not a phenom.
We lucked out that Stephen Ross hired a coach who can draft and train quarterbacks and that Ryan worked hard and became a decent starter. We did not luck out in finding a phenom.

Good job giving your opinion. As a new poster here you will find if you say anything bad about Ryan the regulars will come at you with tar and feathers. I'm not even sure what you said that was bad that got them after you. They never seem to explain.

 

[Fins1971]

You haven't addressed 2016...

Might want to read before you post

"Under the new head coach in 2016, Ryan Tannehill started the season slow, again. And then, game 13 he suffered a season ending injury. During that season Ryan led the team to 8-5 record. His passing load was significantly reduced compared to 2014 season, and the team relied more on the running game than it did in previous years. That season, the Dolphins had one of the best rushing attacks in the league, and the lead running back was a pro bowl selection."

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

He generally is what he was in 2015.

Wrong, so the rest is meaningless.

 

[lurking]

Might want to read before you post

"Under the new head coach in 2016, Ryan Tannehill started the season slow, again. And then, game 13 he suffered a season ending injury. During that season Ryan led the team to 8-5 record. His passing load was significantly reduced compared to 2014 season, and the team relied more on the running game than it did in previous years. That season, the Dolphins had one of the best rushing attacks in the league, and the lead running back was a pro bowl selection."

Wrong...

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

A lifetime of watching the NFL gives me a pretty good idea. Who are you to say what am I or am not to assess?

You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts. Seems like a common misconception.

 

[The Goat]

Good job giving your opinion. As a new poster here you will find if you say anything bad about Ryan the regulars will come at you with tar and feathers. I'm not even sure what you said that was bad that got them after you. They never seem to explain.

I would bet a decent amount that he is not a new poster here.

 

[lurking]

Good job giving your opinion. As a new poster here you will find if you say anything bad about Ryan the regulars will come at you with tar and feathers. I'm not even sure what you said that was bad that got them after you. They never seem to explain.

There's nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but just blatantly ignorant posting is just not excepted.

 

[Vaark]

The newbie as you put it took the time to post a well written opinion on Tannehill's tenure here. You made fun of the post which is an attack on the poster. Then later in the thread you challenge him to comment on other team items.

The whole while you didn't have the conviction to address his well written post and tell him with which points you disagree with. Pretty funny if you ask me. Something thing tells me you won't chase this one off.

I'm told that Baghdad Bob was a helluva writer also. Don't mean squat.

But what does is that I cut to the chase and told him that the true test for Tannehill is to see how well or poorly he functions behind at least an average line based on what we saw he could do at times even without one.

I know that some people are only happy bringing their negativity to this board thinking that misery loves company.... so there's that too.

 

[SCOTTY]

Okay, fair enough. I'll throw down this gauntlet though, having seen more than a few vacuum-visionaries roll in off the street only to again be kicked to the curb: it'll be interesting to see how immersed you become in all team matters vs concentrating on how terrible Tannehill might be and who should replace him. That's usually a reliable litmus test for "intent."

Now on to Tannehill: there was a 3 year period that despite Matty Ice having at times the greatest WR and GOAT TE in the game, he lost a total of 4 more game than did Tannehill even with his modest assets with which he had to work.

Oh and despite having bottom-dweller OL last season, in 2016 Tannehill was either the 2nd or 3rd most accurate long ball (20yds+) passer in the league.. and from a clean pocket, he ranked 4th in the league in QBR.

Because he's never had more than a sub-standard OL, hopefully with an average OL he won't be pissing blood and will continue to show what he's capable of doing.

Hey Vaark a couple questions. I'm a huge stat guy and was wondering where you found 20+ yards accuracy figure compared to all qbs. I'd love to see the whole league. Also where did you get the "clean pocket qbr stat". I've not seen that one before either. Thanks!