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Those "Meaningless Wins" Proved Not-So-Meaningless

Mach2 said:
Why do ppl assume it will?

Isn't it possible that we get a franchise QB regardless?

We could actually let it play out before we start bitching about it.

What fun would that be though.....
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when was the last time we had one? 1984? play out?
 
NBP81 said:
Im not saying he was trying to lose on purpose, Im saying wins in 2019 didnt figure into the equation. Losing is often the best strategical option you have. Poker players who never fold will win alot of hands, but they wont be profitable.

2019 wins were meaningless to Grier... And you dont have to read his mind to know that, actions speak louder than words.
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By that manner of reasoning then the losses were also meaningless.

We don't even know for sure which QB they are even after.

It is possible we get our guy at 5 isn't it? That would render the whole discussion moot.
 
Vaark said:
Why? If a great player can't finish a highly contested season due to a propensity to get injured, just how valuable is that player?
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Like Wentz going 11-2 with a 102 rating and Foles finishing it off with a SB?
 
Mach2 said:
By that manner of reasoning then the losses were also meaningless.

We don't even know for sure which QB they are even after.

It is possible we get our guy at 5 isn't it? That would render the whole discussion moot.
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Wins being meaningless doesnt make the losses meaningless... Wins being meaningless doesnt change anything strategically, while losses give you a strategicall advantage.
 
NBP81 said:
Like Wentz going 11-2 with a 102 rating and Foles finishing it off with a SB?
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Now you're reaching. How often does that happen?

Just because something is possible, doesn't mean it's likely.
 
OmegaPhinsFan said:
and no one gets this. I mean 5 wins may have cost us the franchise qb OR cost us the draft capital we need for sustainability. Let's face it, it wasn't Flores that brought them here, it was the $100M. I didn't really hear anyone making offers to these players. These same posters will be escorting Flores out the door in a season or two if he fails
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They will escort Grier out first and for good reason but yeah Flores won’t be far behind if they don’t get the difference maker at qb.
 
NBP81 said:
Wins being meaningless doesnt make the losses meaningless... Wins being meaningless doesnt change anything strategically, while losses give you a strategicall advantage.
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I thought we were discussing the GMs mindset, and you already admitted he wasn't trying to lose purposely. Therefore it wasn't a strategic plan to attain a higher draft pick.
 
OmegaPhinsFan said:
so all you have done is attracted free agents. In the sustainability of things, it is better to build through the draft. Let me guess, you want to trade all our picks for Burrow too?
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Does you shift button work? All that has happened since the season IS Free Agency. What else were we supposed to do? Good players are choosing us over other teams. We can't fill every hole in the draft unless we want to wait multiple extra years.

Do you argue just for the sake of arguing?
 
NBP81 said:
I never expected coaches and players to tank games on purpose. My main gripe is when someone calls tanking a coward move, which it isnt, its a strategic move that benefits your org in the future.

If the head of your football operation is not trying to win games in the current season becuase he's got his eyes set for the the following seasons, then by definition, he views wins in the current season meaningless. No?
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Ther is a difference between "not trying to win games" and trying to lose games.
 
Feverdream said:
This is simple...

Men play to win.
Players with honor play to win.
Coaches with dignity play to win.

Cowards and thieves... tank.

Period.
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Haha half the coaching staff got fired. guess they didnt have much dignity.
 
So far we have gone through one gauntlet since the season which is free agency. We won free agency for the most part and we did it with a minimum of cap spend when looked at versus the talent acquired. Now lets go make the draft our outhouse b!tch. We didn't tank so lets move forward.
 
Still would love to hear someone who was pro "tanking " explain exactly how they envision that taking place. ...and why we keep seeing responses to other posters who don't agree as though they share some cause and effect blame for these so called meaningless wins.

A) how do you tank? Drop the ball on purpose, throw int's on purpose, throw a hail Mary from the 3yd line?

B) How do I effect a win on the field? How is a win or loss on my shoulders?

I have about as much to do with what happens on the field as does my dead ancestor.
 
hoops said:
They will escort Grier out first and for good reason but yeah Flores won’t be far behind if they don’t get the difference maker at qb.
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Allow me to preface this by saying that:
  1. I am not a GM.
  2. yes, I am a member of VIP.
  3. yes, I am a super-donor.
Now, on the crux of the matter...are you saying that Grier and Flores should be escorted out the door if they don't get Tua?

If you aren't I'd like to get you on record stating who the difference-maker(s) at QB are, and approximately how fast are you willing to drive the car over the drawbridge to get this difference-maker.
 
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