What if Fiedler flat out wins the competition?

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:confused: That would be irrelevant. If Feeley does not start, then his trade was a waste.

So what?A.J can still contribute down the road.Is not like that 2nd round pick will be a certified good player.

IMO

Trading for A.J was waste to begin with since Sage is a better prospect.

 

[jetssuckSr]

What if Fiedler flat out wins the competition?

I would imagine you'll break out another one of those ridiculous sig lines about Noodle boy going to the Pro Bowl. :roflmao:

You guys won't give props to Jay?I bet most of th people who jumped on Feeley bandwagon will be saying he sucks and blame Rick for not bringing in Collins.I can imagine how many "I hate Jay and Feeley sucks thread".Oh!Let's not forget all of Rick Spielman is an idiot thread.

Jay doesn't deserve props, we fans shold get the props for having to endure his tenure.

Feeley bandwagon?

How about "this team desperately needs a better QB bandwagon"........

If Fiedler starts, DW will need an armed escort, to and from the stadium.

The Fiedler experiment was a miserable failure, he's a back-up, always has been always will be.

 

[Deus Ex Dolphin]

I don't want to see Jay starting again because I believe he is simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH to win big games for us.

He is far from the worst QB to ever throw a pass in the NFL. He has heart, and just enough physical talent to be average. In a way, that is the worst thing about Jay. You see him have a good game... and you wonder if he can ONLY keep it up. If he had been a little worse, he would have been gone two years ago. Instead he showed just enough that Wanny thinks he is the man.

IF Jay could play with some consistency, then I'd believe he could "manage" the offense well enough to help win a championship. He never has, and after four years, I've stopped believing he is capable of it.

Jay is the worst possible type of QB. Just good enough to win enough games that some want to keep him around for another try. Not good enough to win the important games versus playoff caliber teams.

In Jay... we have the worst of both worlds. :cry:

 

[Dolfndav34]

Play to the QB's strengths

We know the QB situation, its up to Collier and Trestman to make this offense run effectively, our strength is the running game, we need to use the running game to open our so called passing game. All I have heard the past 4 years is how Konrad has great hands, well thats a weapon and we need to use the variety of personnel, Look at what New England has done, they have mastered the short game, Brady does not have a gun, but he is excellent at the short to mid range passes, Why is this so hard for us, why are we not a playing a play action offense, Hopefully with Trestmans style of coaching and west coast style of experince he will open this offense up.:cooldude:
P.S. We did overpay for Feeley

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

I don't want to see Jay starting again because I believe he is simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH to win big games for us.

Not good enough to win the important games versus playoff caliber teams.

This is my number one gripe about people who bash Fiedler - saying he can't do things that he has already done. Like it or not, the Fins have won important games over the last 4 years. They have beaten quality opponents. Fiedler has also played well enough to win against other quality teams, only to be let down by the defense or special teams.

In 2000:
Went to the playoffs and won a playoff game
Beat the Ravens in week 3 (won the SB)
Beat the Colts in week 13
Swept the Pats
Swept the Bills

In 2001:
Went to the playoffs
Beat the Raiders in week 2 (went to AFC champ game)
Beat the Pats in week 4 (won the SB)
Threw for 320 yds in a losing effort to the Pats in week 15. The def gave up 156 yds rushing.
Also beat the Titans, the Colts twice, and the Broncos

In 2002:
The team averaged 30 pts per game in the first six weeks (beat the Colts, Pats, and Broncos in that stretch)
Beat the Raiders in a critical game in week 15. (went to the SB)
He played well enough against Minn in week 16 only to be let down by the defense.
The team should have beaten the Pats the week after that.


In 2003:
He came of the bench to lead a come back against Wash in week 12
They soundly defeated the Cowboys on Thanksgiving
Should have beaten the Pats in week 7
Played well enough to beat the Eagles in week 15

They missed the playoffs in 2002 due to injuries (most notably FIEDLER'S INJURY)
They missed the playoffs in 2003 with a very respectable 10-6 record.

I totally agree that Fiedler's play has deteriorated. I totally agree that he has not proven to be consistent enough. I also agree that he is not good enough to be the focal point of a team. I also would like to see the Feeley play well enough to win the starting job.

Given the fact that he does have legitimate weaknesses, why do you feel the need to exaggerate his weaknesses.

Why do all of the Fiedler bashers ignore these facts?

 

[pigskinguy]

This is my number one gripe about people who bash Fiedler - saying he can't do things that he has already done. Like it or not, the Fins have won important games over the last 4 years. They have beaten quality opponents. Fiedler has also played well enough to win against other quality teams, only to be let down by the defense or special teams.

In 2000:
Went to the playoffs and won a playoff game
Beat the Ravens in week 3 (won the SB)
Beat the Colts in week 13
Swept the Pats
Swept the Bills

In 2001:
Went to the playoffs
Beat the Raiders in week 2 (went to AFC champ game)
Beat the Pats in week 4 (won the SB)
Threw for 320 yds in a losing effort to the Pats in week 15. The def gave up 156 yds rushing.
Also beat the Titans, the Colts twice, and the Broncos

In 2002:
The team averaged 30 pts per game in the first six weeks (beat the Colts, Pats, and Broncos in that stretch)
Beat the Raiders in a critical game in week 15. (went to the SB)
He played well enough against Minn in week 16 only to be let down by the defense.
The team should have beaten the Pats the week after that.


In 2003:
He came of the bench to lead a come back against Wash in week 12
They soundly defeated the Cowboys on Thanksgiving
Should have beaten the Pats in week 7
Played well enough to beat the Eagles in week 15

They missed the playoffs in 2002 due to injuries (most notably FIEDLER'S INJURY)
They missed the playoffs in 2003 with a very respectable 10-6 record.

I totally agree that Fiedler's play has deteriorated. I totally agree that he has not proven to be consistent enough. I also agree that he is not good enough to be the focal point of a team. I also would like to see the Feeley play well enough to win the starting job.

Given the fact that he does have legitimate weaknesses, why do you feel the need to exaggerate his weaknesses.

Why do all of the Fiedler bashers ignore these facts?

And how did he do in the playoffs the last 2 years...........Oh right, forget it.
He is backup QB AT BEST. Deal with it.

 

[Deus Ex Dolphin]

When the day comes that Jay is gone or firmly supplanted by another QB... are we gonna miss these threads?? :confused: :D

I admit I am using borderline hyperbole, in talking about Jay not being able to win the big games. However... the biggest games are late in the season when you are making that playoff run, and then when you are actually in the playoffs! Everyone kicks it up a notch then, if they can.

That is the problem with Jay. He CANNOT raise, or has at least NEVER raised his level of play when it really mattered most. You need to go back and watch that playoff win verus the Colts. Jay was bad. Only a heroic performance from the D and Lamar Smith got us a win that day. Jay played like crap versus the Raiders the next week, and Lamar had nothing left in the tank to help compensate.

Then there was that Ravens game in 2001, where Jay helped get this team... uh, 3 points was it? Good enough? :shakeno:

If every other part of the team was playing at a high level, then we might manage a SECOND playoff win with Jay. We will never beat the top seed teams though.

Look, every other team had a chance this year to grab Jay. Nobody wanted him. They know. I know. Most Dolphin fans know, if they care to admit it to themselves, that we are going nowhere with Jay at QB.

I don't want to suffer through a FIFTH season of Jay proving me right. I really don't.

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

And how did he do in the playoffs the last 2 years...........Oh right, forget it.
He is backup QB AT BEST. Deal with it.

New to the board and already an attitude.... :shakeno:

Why not just address the post? Why avoid the obvious question? Could it be that the facts don't fit your opinion?

 

[DOLFANMIKE]

And how did he do in the playoffs the last 2 years...........Oh right, forget it.
He is backup QB AT BEST. Deal with it.

Actually, I think it's you that has some things to deal with. Last season for example Jay Fiedler played well enough for us to win 12-13 games. Olindo Mare missed FG's in 2-3 games that a kicker should make. That cost us the game After Fiedler drove us well within FG position.

 

[philyphin]

[/QUOTE]He CANNOT raise, or has at least NEVER raised his level of play when it really mattered most.

I agree with you there, Fiedler can not raise his level of play, because he plays as hard as he can every down, the guy has not quit in him. If he could throw the deep ball and outs he would be a great QB, but he struggles with both these passes, hopefully Feeley can show the same grit, determination and desire to win that fiedler puts into every game, because with his arm strength is better at making those throws.

 

[FIN-IN-RI]

Actually, I think it's you that has some things to deal with. Last season for example Jay Fiedler played well enough for us to win 12-13 games. Olindo Mare missed FG's in 2-3 games that a kicker should make. That cost us the game After Fiedler drove us well within FG position.

it wouldn't have mattered if we made the playoffs. fiedler wouldn't have taken us beyond the second round, IMO.

 

[finregime]

If Fiedler wins the job then we'll look good until it counts and then Wanny will make an excuse as to why we suck but will make no bold changes like bench fiedler and watch his J-O-B go byby!

 

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it wouldn't have mattered if we made the playoffs. fiedler wouldn't have taken us beyond the second round, IMO.

You have crystal ball?Who would have thought Jake Delhome would taken panthers to the superbowl?Please tell who win this year superbowl so I can start making by bets!

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

That is the problem with Jay. He CANNOT raise, or has at least NEVER raised his level of play when it really mattered most.

We will never beat the top seed teams though.

I guess as long as you get to choose when a victory or good performance matters or who the top seeded teams are, you can't be wrong. Doesn't jive with reality, but if that floats your boat, fine with me.....

 

[FIN-IN-RI]

You have crystal ball?Who would have thought Jake Delhome would taken panthers to the superbowl?

no crystal ball here.

its just my opinion that he doesn't have what it takes to get it done, and i could care less about the games he wins in the reg. season.

its time for new blood. period.